I will hopefully be at Abingdon this weekend,but I’m still making arrangements,so can’t be sure.Hope to see some of you there 🙂
In all honesty Andrew,I think Lightnings flying in the UK will now always be nothing more than a memory.The problem is that the Lightning doesn’t have much in the way of back up systems. If the hydraulics in the flight control curcuit fails,the controls jam,with no manual reversion.The only thing to do is eject and watch helplessly as a good few tonnes of fully fuelled Lightning goes plummetting into a residential area.I know this is a nightmare scenario,but it’s POSSIBLE,and with the UK being so densely populated,the CAA are not willing to chance it.
The only reason Lightning are allowed to fly in places like south Africa is because they have huge areas of open space to play in/over,so should the aircraft come down,there’s little chance of it causing death and destruction on the ground.
G-WGHB is now in storage with Tempest Two Ltd at Gainsborough in Lincolnshire,although I’m not sure that it’s stored on site.
I understand and agree with what you say David,poorer examples of some types (eg SeaHawk,Hunter,Gannet etc) could be cannibalised to make a few excellent examples,but are you saying this should apply to ‘275? Personally I would have to disagree as I think she is unique in herself,and is therefore worthy of saving as she is.There is also the question of what other project 275 could donate to,considering her peculiar Mk.4 and a half status.
By the way BC,there are currently only 3 complete Swifts rather than the five you mention.There is a fourth,an F.7,under restoration,allegedly to airworthy condition,but this is looking ever less likely and the project is currently up for sale.This is one seriously rare aeroplane!
…left aileron.One thing that strikes me about this series of pics is how complete she is in terms of her internal bit’s n’ pieces,and also how badly corroded some parts are whilst others are seemingly untouched,such as the roof of the nosebay.
..nosewheel bay again…
…and here’s the nosewheel bay…
I realise that alot of what has been said about the Swift is true.She’d need one hell of a restoration effort to bring her back to her former glory,but to me,it would be worth it.I wouldn’t mind if I was 70 before she was finished,so long as she was saved for posterity.As for the idea about donating bits to the NEAM example,this is a possibility,however WK275 has numerous bits which really belong on the FR.5,including the wings,so there might not be as much comonality between the two as would appear at first.To my mind,’275 should be preserved as she is,rather than being thrown to the four winds as a spares source,although this would be better than scrapping her.
I’ve seen some more detailed pictures of her internal components,and she’s in really poor shape in many respects.What occupies the engine bay would now barely pass as an engine,and just about every nut,bolt and rivet is corroded beyond redemption.It doesn’t take an expert to realise that she’s the restoration equivelant of Mount Everest,but then that’s been climbed,so who knows.I prefer to think positively on this one for the time being,although time will tell whether she’s actually saveable.
Here’s a few pics of her emailed to me by Plazz a few days ago…
Thanks for the details David.I wasn’t aware that the pylons could take two shrikes apiece,was this the standard fit or was it particular to this Vulcan?
Those Black Buck missions were one hell of an achievement,I’m always surprised that thier efforts don’t get more coverage in documentaries about the Falklands conflict.If it hadn’t been for the RAF showing it’s ability to attack targets thousands of miles away,the Argentines would never have withdrawn thier Mirages from CAP duties around the Falklands,and the RN’s SeaHarriers would’ve been dead meat inside a week,the SeaHarrier veterans admit this themselves.No Harriers would have meant no air cover for the invasion fleet or the troops on the ground and quite possibly complete defeat for the British task force.
Ofcorse,when you consider the efforts of the Vulcan guys,you have to consider the effort made by the Victor tanker crews to get them there in th first place,not least Robert Tuxford’s actions on the first Black Buck.
I seem to remember Tuxford got the DFC for this,so what recognition,if any,did MacDougall recieve?It sounds as though he was deserving of equally high praise.
The Vulcans on the Black Buck missions carried two Shrike radar supressing missiles on pylons,one missile under each wing.It was one of these which hung up and was ‘confiscated’ by the Brazilians.
Thanks for the pics Merlin.I have to say that the Comet does not look too bad,and certainly if they are still allowing folks inside her then she can’t be structurally unsafe.They are certainly jumping the gun a bit of they scrap her anytime soon.That silicon sealant is also a good idea,and might well slow the effects of the elements in her interior.The decision to scrap her still doesn’t make sense.
Nice to see the vulcan looking good aswell,hope they’re not thinking about chopping that up too!!
Excellent website Steve,thanks for the link 🙂
Was thinking about going to Biggin,and having sen the list of participants I’m definately going! 🙂 Legends is another must for this year too.Not decided on any others yet,although I’d like to go to Shuttleworth to see the LVG flying for the last time.
Nice pics Stevie,thanks for those. 🙂 Glad to see that most of the airframes don’t seem to be suffering too much despite being outside.I’d be a bit concerned about the state of that second Bucc though. 😉
There is a show on Ch5 called Dream Machine where they rebuild and then give away a classic car.Thier restoration works seems to be based at Brunty,and this is also where they do all thier test driving before they give the car away,so there’s plenty of shots of the Victor,Comet etc etc.Think it’s at 8 on Mondays,but can’t be too sure of that.Might be worth a look.
Thanks for your support folks,it’s always good to know there are others who care about things like this. 🙂
Comet-I’ve replied to your posting on the Flypast forum.Not sure i’d agree that scrapping her would be criminal,but it’s certainly a very confusing decision given her apparent good health.
Hi Comet,
I understand your frustration,but the museums themselves can’t really be blamed for the condition of thier ouitdoor exhibits. An aircraft left outdoors will rot,whether it’s within the premesis of a museum or otherwise.True,an aircraft can be slightly better cared for if it has the attentions of museum staff,but it’s always a losing battle with the weather.Even larger museums like Duxford have serious problems keeping thier outdoor aircraft in good condition.
The real issue is hangarage.I would imagine the museum took the Comet and Vulcan on hoping that funds would allow for the building of a hangar to house them sometime in the future,although sadly this is yet to happen.
My grudge with the MoF is that the Comet doesn’t seem to be in too bad a condition,and therefore it doesn’t make sense as to why they’d want to scrap it.I agree that a cockpit section is a poor substitute for the whole thing,so I would be very glad if the MoF did thier utmost to preserve the aircraft in it’s entirety rather than scrapping most of it.