Colin:
“So why did Elleston Trevor come up with a fictional aircraft instead of just referring to the C-82 Packet?”
Steward-Davis at the time (1963-64) were marketing a civil conversion
of the C-82 called the “Skytruck Mk. 1”, which incidently crashed in
Mexico in late 64, that I think Trevor coined it for use in his own book.
A point of trivia: the first edition US book features a DC-3 on the
cover not the twin-boom required for the story.
I see many people have replied with photos thay have of TWA’s
C-82 – the rego. ET-T-12 was an Ethiopian one used in early
1960. It was in Eurpoe from 1956 to 1973 – a real winner of the plane
that TWA it seems just couldn’t replace!
Cheers
One good one, not immediatley obvious, is in “Airport ’79” where the
Concordes taxis about the airport for seemingly ages while the crew
has visitors to the cockpit and talk about what they did the previous
night…. which goes on for ages, then they decide to take-off for
New York.
Anyone whose seen / read about Concorde operations I’m sure would
find this amusing.
A very interesting request this one, but I do have a shot you might
be interested in.
Go to my site at: http://www.uswarplanes.net
Click on “AT-6” in the side menu bar under “World War II” and scroll
down till you see a shot of a T-6 without wings.
I own the photo so please download and do with it as you need too.
Hope this helps.
Comparing the photos I’d say the plane in question is G-ZARA
as there is a small “aerial bump” on the cockpit roof of this
a/c as there is in the movie photo. Anyone else agree?
Theres quite a good view of the plane in the film in the scene
where Jim arrives at the camp and walks across the field of
workers towards the T-6 Zero, you know the bit with all the
sparks flying everywhere – visually stunning.
Fantastic shot of the Nord in its “Japanese” livery. That must have
been after it returned to the UK?
The pilot Scott Bolan, I think was American, he lived in 1988
anyway in Arizona. Tryed Googling to make contact but no luck.
So which one would have been most likely based at Coventry
Airport in 86-87 G-ZARA or G-BOSJ?
In the Air-Britain photo which one is G-ZARA?
I take it one of these never flew in the UK if only
one a/c was ever on the register.
Here is a photo of it in 1987, any particular reason for the interest in this plane?
I came across an Air Classics article about EOTS in the
Jan. 1988 issue and they couldn’t ID the plane in the article.
Then in the Feb. issue Scott Bolan the pilot wrote in with
a picture saying he had flown it to spain from Coventry
for the film – but he didn’t include a serial number.
So, I was interested in finding out for my aerolane film database.
Thanks, that puts things in perspective.
How do you know it is TE288?
Mark
Mark 12,
Many articles, books and the museum itself including many locals,
is there reason to question this, you’ve got me thinking?:confused:
One question for you – many sources say the RFTS Spits were all
XVIe versions (“e” for clipped wing) but in the film and all stills I’ve
seen they all have the classic curved wing. Sorry I’m not that
knowledgable on the Spitfire but did the “e” have clipped and
elliptical wings?
Thanks all who replied – like they say a picture paints a 1000 words
and those pics were exactly that. The mock-up Bulldog has the all-black
prop and spinner and the real one doesn’t. Theres other obvious
differences but thats the one you can tell watching the film.
Since there were no actual flying Bulldogs in the film, it looks like
they did the whole Bader crash sequence with models and
studio mock-ups. I must say, the model flying shots are still very
convincing even today – which is partly what prompted this thread to
start with.
Whats the number on the Tutor – 2511?, I still cannot find it in the film though.
As for the Spitfires I have 10, 4 flying, 6 static from the Flypast article
of 1986, sure would like to know the ID of the third Hurri. though – seems
likely to be LF378 in many searches I’ve done.
We have Spit TE288 here in Christchurch NZ, restored and on display
at the RNZAF Museum.
Heres some scrapeyard photos from a trip to Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia. In the yard were the remains of an F-5E Tiger,
Bulldog 102 and Augusta 109, air traffic control equipment
left outside plus piles of other stuff.
Can anyone ID this canopy and seat???
Sandridge,
There was quite a few Freighters in New Zealand operated by
SAFE Air up till about 1985 or so.
They carried passengers and freight the same as in the UK.
Attached are two shots I took of the passenger compartment
on Bristol Freighter ZK-CLU (msn: 13156) in Nelson, New Zealand
in 2000. The toilet in the nose door was for the crew and the
passenger toilet was in the tail compartment at the back.
There is also a top book on SAFE Air by Lester Hope and
others called “Safe In The Air” published in NZ which covers
NZ Freighter operations.
Hope its released in New Zealand…sounds like a great aviation series.
Longshot:
Those adverts you posted are very interesting and the
name switch to Flying Boxcar with the engine upgrade
to Wright Cyclones is very interesting to note. Thats
something to take into consideration alright.
I have the flight manuals for the C-82 and C-119B / C / R4Q-1
and none of them mention Flying Boxcar anywhere in the manual,
Packet is briefly mentioned in the C-82 one though.
I think this is a similar situation to another Fairchild product,
the A-10 Thunderbolt II, everyone just calls it the “warthog”
full stop. I think the same happened with the “Boxcar”.
The Marines never flew the C-82 but there were 18 SC-82A
conversions as SAR aircraft. The Marines did fly the R4Q-1
(C-119B) and the R4Q-2 (C-119F), many were based in
Japan and most were retired by 1959 or so.
Those still in service after 1962 became C-119G’s.
Chuck Lunsford is a retired C-119 radio op. and an expert in
C-119 operations. The C-119CF was an unofficial designation
for C-119C’s with F upgrades but retaining their P&W engines.
Only a few were converted and all were based in W. Germany
I think.
Most C-119B / C / F versions were upgraded to the definitive
C-119G variant by the late 50’s including the 35 sold to Canada.
My main interest is in the civil service of the C-82 / C-119, there
were some very colourful liveries on those old birds, especially
the Latin American ones.
Simon Beck
http://www.uswarplanes.net