Venezuela’s S-300VM Antey-2500 photo report! (by Sergey Kuznetsov)
http://samoletchik.livejournal.com/63876.html

Atilla, is this new Mi-35M one of Azerbaijan’s? It look whitish to me. I can’t say if there’s some smoke coming out of it (that shouldn’t), or they’re just starting it …
http://s019.radikal.ru/i636/1309/88/7271e74cd144.jpg

Anyone knows if the Mi-35 is smoky when starting ?

Mack no F.15C’s were lost during the Gulf War. Do you really think in this day and age the identity of a lost F.15C could remain hidden for a year, let alone twenty plus. Look at the second F.117 hit during the Kosovo crisis; the SAM hit was rumoured even during the conflict and today even the USAF museum mentions it. I’m no ‘fanboy’, but I do believe in taking all the facts that are available, namely that a missing aircraft would leave a trail as all the other aircraft lost in 1990/1991 do and in the case of F.15C’s there is no trail.

As for the F.15E MiG25 claim, really… I always thought the third claim was for a RAF Tornado. I’m presuming it refers to the second Strike Eagle shot down, do you have any more details?

There WAS an F-15C lost allegedly in an accident on the 13th of Feb. Few months ago i’ve been looking and reading whatever i could find regarding these claims, can’t recall exactly now the details, but f.e. regarding the F-14 kill it was credited to S-75s, however several researches found that there were most likely no S-75 units at the times and places that shoot down was supposed to have happened, and conversely evidence that there were MiGs prowling around those same areas… So if not a SAM, then what?
Oh and i wouldn’t underestimate the americans’ ability to hide and lie on such a thing, do they flew and fly all kinds of secret stuff from Groom Lake, did they kept the F-117 program under wraps for a decade with SIXTY aircraft flying, and coming closer, did they do the same with SECOND F-117 damaged in 1999? Probably the museum unveiling was a mistake, someone got in big *** for that. If that wouldn’t have happened , fanboys would have screamed far and loud that it’s just commie propaganda, no one can see their uber stealth tech, the one that fell was pure luck etc etc. Btw, i’m looking increasingly interested at that B-2 claim, what if …

Anyway point is, they could have easily hidden that F-15C lost allegedly air-to-air, who on earth could check 100% what they claim? Is it unconceivable that they lied about how that F-15C crashed and when? They lied and lie abut much more serious things , lying about a “puny” aircraft loss is surely piece of cake for them.

Btw, regarding kills, the Tornado was claimed by a MiG-29. Regrading the F-15E claim , i really have to go back and dig out the sparce info i’ve got courtesy of one of the researchers i mentioned. As you know though the F-15Es had quite a lot of meetings and mutual “spikings” with MiGs in the first days at least , isn’t it! Oh and that F-15E loss is i think at the very least attributed by american sources to the loss of the EF-111 jamming escort due to MiG-25s.

Yes, but why M2? Is there something i have missed and it was extra upgraded for Iraq?

I had the impression that this is the designation of these recent version Crocodiles ( f.e. venezuelan ones are called Mi-35M2 in some places), but looking into it closer i’m probably mistaken then.

Those are the four engagements that are regularly discussed. Do you have a source that says those were the only four?

According to several sources (including US themselves) there was a fight between 1 or 2 MIG-25s (i need to re-check) and at least 4 F-15s on Jan 30/ Feb.1 night, in which the americans fired 10 missiles, none hit. I’m not sure if the number of missiles fired during this incident and the one on the 18th is mixed up, or the americans actually fired TEN missiles in each of them! (MiGs countermeasures suite was obviously very effective to decoy AIM-7M and 9M.)

Reportedly the MiGs were pursued and fired upon up to and INCLUDING landing. Non-american sources allege that they must have been VERY pissed because when all this started one F-15C was hit, damaged and crashed in KSA. Of course , some fanboys only accept as evidence a written statement from the USAF, Pentagon and POTUS or something, but since everybody knows the american track record for telling the truth (yeah right), i personally would say it’s not excluded that F-15 WAS hit. Not good for McD/ Boeing’s sales to admit such a thing though.

More so these same non-american sources allege that no less than 3 US fighters were shot down by MiG-25s, apart from the F-18, two kills attributed to S-75s were in fact most likely victims of MiG-25s, an F-15E and an F-14 (you know which ones they are).

What else has the source mentioned about T-50-5 if i may ask ? I assume it hasn’t flown yet ? How about cammo plans, still splinter or perhaps VVS grey? 😉

Nice “MiG” Berkut :stupid:
Still, checking the bort (and badges, what’s LIS standing for, letchiky-ispitalniy-Sukhova or something ?) seems to indicate an older test and development dogship (built at least 2003).