Iraqi Flankers inshallah!:D Was trying to figure out what’s the model behind the Sukhoi, is it Mi-24 or Mi-17?

So what about the news posted today in iraqi forums about the russian contract being finally signed ( yesterday?), is that accurate or it’s recycled news? They talk about Pantsir, Mi-28 and PERHAPS MiG-29s plus maybe other stuff too, would be nice to have a confirmation. Thanks 🙂

You’re joking!:p That’s the SR PL-10 or whatever it’s called then? I saw a little gif yesterday of that launcher with this missile on SDF i think, i thought it was just a generic missile!

Here we go, the “intelectual property” and “copying” rubbish again. Well, i hope this deal will become reality, just to anger those who desperately want to stir the chinese and russians against eachother, because that’s all this either anti-russian (from “chinese”) or anti-chinese (from “russians”) foaming you see is, the “divide and conquer” strategy. Like i said, it’s a good deal for both sides, China get a valuable boost in it’s defensive capabilities in a short time, while Russia get steady income and orders for it’s military industry! Win-win for both. Here’s for an ever stronger China-Russia friendship and cooperation. Down with the imperialist pigs!:D

According to this F-15 monography:
http://www.magnum-x.pl/menuarchiwalia/lotnictwo?mid[0]=4
-F-15A : 1970 km
-F-15C : 2200 km
on internal fuel

Thank you for that. Speaking of F-15s, i’ve seen a loadout chart on dstorm.eu site of RSAF F-15C during the 1991 war, showing full A-A load plus 3 Mk-84 bombs on wings and under fuselage(!), so no DTs. No sure if they actually used that in combat, but the radius with such a load must be quite interesting.:)

Hi Steve49,

Regarding the location of the iraqi fighter squadrons, do you have by any chance Iraqi Fighters 1953-2003 by Tom Cooper? If not i’ll try to go through it and see what i can find (but probably it won’t be a definitive list by any chance)

As for the F-15C damaged on the 22nd, in one of the links above is posted as being “damaged by Scud debris” on it’s airfield. I was asking about the F-15Cs because there are claims that least one has been perhaps damaged if not shot down by a MiG-25 on the 30th. (personally i had no idea until couple of days ago that indeed and F-15C of RSAF has been lost in an accident-apparently- during the Gulf war)

Btw, how accurate and how does it fit with your own list the losses and damaged planes in combat and accidents from that dstorm.eu site? Thanks.

Huh? Dude go read some of the links posted earlier in this thread, and just do a quick www search. At least one F-14 and 2 F-15E were shot down (and apparently, one saudi F-15C lost in an accident -they say- plus allegedly one US F-15C at least damaged in combat, if not lost, but that’s a very intriguing story in itself)

Something that might make Swerve and others very happy for now anyway ( but that doesn’t mean the story is over):)
While reading the little found on net and in few books i have trying to figure out the details of this Tornado shoot down, it appears there is a discrepance between the places/targets where the action supposedly happened. If i am understanding reasonably ok, in the text the target of the Tornadoes ( incl. ZA396) is described as al-Qadissya AB, while apparently the MiG is mentioned in conjunction to Tammuz or al-Walid/H-3, and something about Iraq’s 1st and 2nd air defense sectors. ( 3rd cover the southern part)

Now according to the americans, the engagement on the 19th happened somewhere in “western Iraq”, that’s as far as i could get on that (Discovery CGI point around H-3, but how accurate is that is anybody’s guess), can’t find a better location detail for that alleged dogfight.

Obviously, all the places mentioned and the supposed dogfight are in the central/western Iraq, not in the south, so this means some details don’t fit up.
It appears that the unit flying MiG-29’s was indeed based at Tammuz, and during the war had several fighters deployed to Jalibah (hence the famous nose cutting story).
What is the explanation for this, i don’t know yet (oh yes i know some will go ha i knew it the iraqis lied only we the bearers of freedom and democracy flag always tell the truth and nothing but the truth blah blah etc), baring in mind this is info 8 or 9 years old, and i only have access to only a tiny amount of information on the www and some articles, which is not alot by a long shot!

Maybe this explains the Lennox/Weeks controversy, perhaps that safaroviki.com webmaster noticed this discrepance as well, and researching found a Tornado that indeed was lost in the area, so assumed THAT was the one shot down.
Mind you, all this assuming that the details available regarding the “coalition” side is accurate and the truth only, though we all know about the huge stacks of WMDs and irrefutable evidence of Saddam’s al-Qaida affiliation found after the 2003 invasion…

Either way, like i said this ain’t over till it’s over.:D