LII December 2012.:)

Mack8, this was sworn testimony given by a high ranking Australian Military officer, not a LM hack or blogger. It was nowhere near PR.

Um… yes but that information comes from the “20,000pages of data” (you say) LM is sending to “partner nations” every month! I seriously doubt the “partner nations” are getting anything but the best dressed info anyway. Some foreign officials still go by the 65 millions figure or other projected costs ( as opposed to real ones).

Obviously, that’s just some numbers which are terribly misinterpreted for PR reasons. Probably in those “650” ways are included all possible combinations of external and EXTERNAL information collecting/sharing methods (satellite , AWACS, voice com, radar, EOTS, EODAS etc etc.). Hell probably they add to that “650” every silly little thing , so that it looks good on a powerpoint. One thing is sure those “650” ways will never be used at once. It’s impossible! Probably this “650” is as relevant as the 800nm detection range (of a ballistic missile booster) of the EODAS.

Glad to be proven wrong with a list of these 650 ways. Oh, it’s “classified”. Right.

Well, if you’re talking in WW2 related terms, probably the F-35 is best equated to the Brewster F-2A. Some good items of equipment , but the thing as a whole is a flying barrel.:D

Not really, seems to me they’re like on 50-3. Probably it’s the angle that is confusing.

At these Links you can find some public details from ex-Soviet pilots, exercises at ‘Russian Top-Gun’. These are not exactly what you need, in most of the ‘fights’ the MiG-23 played F-15 vs MiG-21’s, but these are interesting.

‘AWACS hunting’ – MiG-21bis vs AN-12 ‘AWACS’ & MiG-23ML >
http://forums.airforce.ru/sovremennost/3667-planirovanie-vozdushnogo-boya-3/#post73501

MiG-21bis vs MiG-23ML(act F-15 with AIM-7F) >
http://forums.airforce.ru/sovremennost/3667-planirovanie-vozdushnogo-boya-3/#post73583

http://forums.airforce.ru/sovremennost/3667-planirovanie-vozdushnogo-boya-3/#post73611

x4 MiG-21bis vs x2 MiG-23ML >
http://forums.airforce.ru/sovremennost/3667-planirovanie-vozdushnogo-boya-3/#post73511

The online-translating does not work perfectly, but it helps:

http://translate.google.com/
” Late May to early June, 1985g. Mary-I. Proverka 927iap.
Free dogfight zvena. Veduschaya pair: regimental commander-zampolit. Vedomaya pair: zam.komandira-st.shturman. “Enemy” is a pair of MiG-23 local air group.
Battle plan was developed in three versions, depending on the construction of the battle formation of the “enemy.”
Converged on a collision kursah.Para “enemy” has opened at the front with an interval of 2-3km.Komandir determined: “Option number 2.”
At a distance of “the enemy” 30-35km team: “maneuver.”
The leading pair of GS-23 guns shoot projectiles dipolyami. After shooting – a 180 *, the leading pair of right-led vlevo.Vysota 1500-1800m. “Enemy” is higher.
Watching sblizheniem.Na range 15-20km – “maneuver.” Shooting IR-traps ASO-2I and perevorot. Na exit the horizon leading the pair: “The purpose of the left at 45, range 3” – “observed attacks.” Led the pair: “The purpose of the right to 45, range 3” – “observed attack”
Everything went like notam.Pobedili.
At the command post airbase commander asked me, “What is the option number 2 and what maneuvers were performed?” I replied that I can explain gruppy.Esche after landing, he asked: “How many options for a fight?” I said, “Three.” To which he nodded approvingly and no more questions asked.
P.S. Mog not quite correctly specify “range” and “high.” It is too proshlo.Zdes the forum there are members of the test, they have to correct. “

Some standard ‘tactics’ for close-combat:

‘Arkan’ , ‘Uzel’ , ‘Krab’ etc. became standard at VVS fighter units from the early ’70s. These came with the unit level ACT program ‘500s’
Just for example one of the check flights(in two seater trainer) for these ACM’s was the exercise no.523 ‘O’

Hang on a sec, something very, very interesting for me… so the “wartime” MiG-21’s were supposed to fire chaff from the gun ?! Also, regarding the mysterious chaff&flare dispensers on MiG-21, so they supposed to be installed in wartime as well? Where were they fitted on the aircraft? And from when? Were these countermeasures devices planned to be used on WarPac air forces MiG-21’s as well?

I know the late model fighter MiG-23’s have chaff& flares dispensers built into the fuselage pylon, plus the later mod of two over-wing strakes (BVP-50-60). Were the MiG-23’s supposed to fire chaff from the guns as well?

Thanks.:)

Well if KnAAPO is going to release something will not be today (it’s evening there now )

according to grOOmi, 2nd flight was performed today

Defying superstition eh.:D