Here being the news that no-one, who knows anything about ships, is suprised to read.

I checked through the forum archives yesterday and went back to a thread where, in December ’04/Jan ’05, myself and several others indicated that the insistance several Indian posters made of the ‘good basic condition’ of the Gorshkov was misplaced and that, even at the start of 2005, a completion date in 2008 looked unrealistic.

As I recall our evaluations were met with incredulity from several posters that we dared have the temerity to doubt the competence of the IN’s inspection teams and, as we had personally never been aboard the ship, we should not be stating our opinions.

All I can say to those gentlemen, if any are still around, is that vindication is a wonderful thing and, with all the maturity possible to muster, ….I told you so!!!! 😉

jonesey, It is a classical example of DDM(Desi Dork Media) for you, Today you have this yesterday they said akash to be naval Sam…and was tested on sea..

Navy denies reports of delay in delivery of Admiral Gorshkov

MUMBAI, MAY 1 (PTI)

The Indian Navy today denied reports that the delivery of aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov would be delayed till 2010 and said the refurbishing of the ship was moving as per schedule.

“The work is going on as per schedule and I do not know where this particular report came from. The work is only three to four months behind schedule and we can expect the aircraft carrier to be delivered by late 2008 or early 2009,” Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sureesh Mehta told reporters here.

He was commenting on reports in a section of media recently which said that the delivery of Admiral Gorshkov or the rechristened `Vikramaditya’ aircraft carrier would be delayed to 2010.

Mehta said that the Russians have committed for a timely delivery of the ambitious aircraft carrier to the Indian Defence Minister.

“Our officials, who are stationed at the spot have said that the work is going on as per schedule and we can have a month long delay once the work is completed as that part of Russia is frozen for a long time,” he said.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_print.asp?id=469504

Forty new ships to be commissioned in coming years: Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Mehta

“We are currently in the process of acquiring 34 new Ships and have asked for funds for 40 more Ships as part of ongoing process in the next three five-year plans,” Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sureesh Mehta told reporters here.

“This is an ongoing process and we need to scrap certain ageing ships in the fleet to make way for the new ones. The objective is not to get bigger in terms of numbers but smarter in terms of our capabilities,” he said.

Mehta also said that a majority of the 40 new ships will be built indigeneously itself and said it is his “vision” to have a strong ship building industry in the country which includes both warship building as well as merchant navy ships.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_print.asp?id=469513

Nick/Matt/Ankush cut it guys!
You guys are getting on a fight over nothing, Matt Nick has logic and reasoning but he might have been a bit harsh on his way of approach, so none does the justice, so just drop it.

and boy oh boy, I was waiting to see when that akash article will appear here and why it hasnt so far 😉

Kaduna sorry to break the feast……..

The claims made by the article,

A presentation, based on the report of an IAF expert who had witnessed the trials, contained several startling revelations. “The IAF expert witnessed repeated cases of missile parts falling off during many trials. He recommended that the Akash missile system was not fit to be deployed,” a senior officer, who attended the presentation, told HT.

Do you realise there is a akash video somewhere, and missile part dont falls off from a ramjet missile like that…..

expert noticed it took 25 minutes to load a single missile on the launcher, which rendered this missile system unfit for use in war-like situations. The night loading time would therefore automatically be twice more than daytime

akash is a M-SAM, why would you want to defend your base by reloading Akash ;).

“It was not capable of picking up low-level targets over any sea, due to multi-path reflection. The missile warhead was also not capable of engaging present-generation targets, due to repeated failures,” the report says.

since your a believer, I want to seek to know what you know about warheads, and what knid of Warheads needed to engage “present gen” targets within the flight envelope of Akash that it is likely to engage 😉

And for crying out loud, Is akash a Naval Sam? :confused: doesnt that says everything about the report? 😮

The report indicates that desperate moves were made during the trials to prove that the system was a success. “A radar was placed on a 13-metre-high platform for all trials, to increase the efficiency of the missile system artificially, which would not be the case in hostile conditions of war,” it says

Do you realise how high IAF places its radar it uses, also Akash Radar is Rajendra and a 3DCAR radar system, The missile doesnt has ARH , the entire radar guides it using c&c guidance, Can you explain me if the radar is so poor why did Navy ordered them? (naval variants known as Revathi) 😉

I find it absolutely amusing the level of understanding through a report soo much for it that you cant even distinguish that akash is not a naval sam :rolleyes: let alone the details.

and oh DRDO has ordered Mirach system from galilo avionicca for further tests :diablo:

I dont want to say anything more unless the need arises to :diablo:

Not really Matt, if you see my post carefully I have explicitely mentioned 6G on Kh2004 airframe, now Simply put we dont have ANY DETAILS of the flight envelope explored on the PV3 airframe.

– Vegeta from Namek :diablo:

i doubt india has such a warhead design(300 kt/250 kg). India had 6 tests so far(soviet union 714 with 969 devices) with a reported max yield of 25 kt. This simply can’t be true. This is the same as the story with the agni-III which some put into topol – M category. I believe the us is ahead in warhead design, but russia might be able to produce some lighter warheads(compared to soviet designs) – with new electronics, sensors, materials. why not. I don’t believe the us will replace it’s ohio class submarines with 14 new subs with 24 missiles each in the trident D-5 class. I bet they’ll go smaller too. The real news is that the russians launched a new sub. in 1998 nobody thought that this could happen ever again.

It has been widely and widely reported of India posessing such warheads 250 to 300 kg and boosted …of 250 to 300kt yield, the very Reason of Agni 3’s payload is it will contain MIRV’s in later stages, You’ll get the confirmation that time I guess.

Indian Physics.

How amusing 😮

http://www.ccnr.org/india_tritium.html
Janes intelligence review of around 1998…

While the USA had stopped producing tritium by about 1988 due to safety reasons and ageing facilities, the Indian breakthrough underscores the fact that tritium can now be produced at a fraction of the estimated US$ 7 billion needed to produce the isotope at current costs using the accelerator process, as was done in the USA. The Indian scientists have managed to extract highly enriched tritium from heavy water used in power reactors.

It was an innocuous paragraph at the end of a recently published paper on detritiation that let the cat out of the bag. The paper appeared in a book entitled Heavy Water- Properties, Production and Analysis, which was authored by two BARC scientists, Sharad M. Dave and Himangshu K. Sadhukhan, with a Mexican scientist, Octavio A. Novaro. On p. 461 of the work, it says the following:

The Bhabha Atomic Research Center, Bombay, India, also having developed a wetproof catalyst for LPCE liquid phase catalytic exchange, has employed it for detritiation. A pilot plant based on LPCE cryogenic distillation with about 90 per cent tritium removal from heavy water has been commissioned and is under experimental evaluation. Reportedly, this facility seems to be the only operating LPCE-based detritiation facility in the world. A commercial detritiation plant based on this process is being set up at one of their nuclear power stations.

According to BARC scientists, the new technology is aimed at lowering the tritium content in heavy water circulating around the moderator circuit. They argue that the project is being executed to prevent the many health hazards associated with the leakage of tritium from reactors. When asked what is exactly being done to the highly radioactive tritium so recovered, the scientists refuse to talk – even under conditions of anonymity. When pressed, some ventured to comment that a scenario in which the recovered tritium is being stockpiled for strategic purposes cannot be ruled out

If mods feel this is off topic they can delete it..

paralay do you visit nasa spaceflight forum as well? :confused:

Is there a need of a new thread? I’m sure it could have gone well in the wmd/missiles section? :confused:

in my opinion larger (~ 4500 ton, to carry more VLS) LCS from USA will be the best option for IN, we already got Talwar and also getting advanced version of this in future, so no more Russian ships.

or even smaller DDX will be better..as DN mentioned $ 8 bn for 7 ships…:D

:rolleyes:

European designs arent better?

Remember this is the series after which a follow on of such class might be built in India with Indias own design, just happened like with Krivaks and P17’s

I liked the LCS design and its sensor suite. India is in cooperation with SK to jointly develop of a 5000 ton ship, but they also heavily depends on US for various systems and sub-systems. eg KDX…

I would take it as a grain of salt, there have been nothing more reprts other than a few newspapers quoting, chances of a Indian/European design with Indian/European/JV goodies is way more than any JV with korea.

However that howitzer of Korea is nice ..:diablo:

I doubt the Bell 407 contains any sensative technologies.

If anyone wants some fun then go to the Bell website where you will find a helicopter configurator:

http://www.bellhelicopter.com/en/aircraft/commercial/config.cfm

Have fun!:D

If Eurocopter wins I’m quite sure it is due to this recent measure from US.

What is sad is the whole of Sharc and signifant portion of Blackfin have been designed in India.

anyways nothing to worry, more these happens the better for us actually :dev2:

you have over 5bn dollars of fabrication plants coming up starting from this year by SemIndia etc etc :diablo:

Posted 04/09/07 16:09
Export Charges May Affect Indian-U.S. Ties
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI, NEW DELHI

Indian government officials are wondering how the U.S. Justice Department’s April 2 indictment of four Indian nationals on charges of violating technology export-control laws will affect defense ties and the nuclear cooperation accord between Washington and New Delhi.

Singapore-based Cirrus Electronics, which has a U.S. office in Simpsonville, S.C., and four of its employees were indicted on charges of illegally selling computer chips for missile guidance systems and microprocessors for the Indian Air Force’s Light Combat Aircraft to India.

The alleged sales violated the Arms Export Control Act and International Traffic in Arms Regulations.

The four Cirrus employees — Prathasarathy Sudarshan, Mythili Gopal, both of Simpsonville; Akn Prasad of Bangalore; and Sampath Sundar of Singapore — were arrested by the FBI March 30. If convicted, they face prison sentences ranging from five to 10 years.

“This is very serious,” said a U.S. Justice Department spokesman.
Missile guidance technology was being sold to the Indian government entities that operate India’s aerospace and nuclear weapons programs. There is evidence that the Indian government was helping falsify information to enable the exports, and an Indian Embassy official in Washington is an unnamed co-conspirator, the spokesman said.

“This case clearly demonstrates that the United States will aggressively investigate and prosecute those who illegally procure and export components for space launch vehicle and ballistic missile programs,” said Darryl Jackson, assistant secretary for export enforcement at the U.S. Commerce Department. The sales allegedly took place between 2002 and 2006.

The incident is an embarrass-ment to the Indian government, said a senior Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs official. However, ministry spokesman Navtej Sarna said they are looking into the matter and have no comment.

“Yes, these allegations will have an impact on transfer of futuristic technology to India from the United States,” said Rahul Bhonsle, a defense analyst here and a retired Indian Army brigadier. “Hopefully, it will not change the overall approach of U.S. authorities of placing India in a more benign category of sanctions.”

But Cherian Samuel, senior fellow at the Institute of Defence Studies and Analysis here, downplayed the significance.

“Industrial espionage and high-tech theft are par for the course, even between the U.S. and its closest allies, such as Israel,” Samuel said. “There is a possibility that the timing of the announcement of this indictment is a part of the carrot-and-stick approach favored by the U.S. government in its foreign policy dealings, and a gentle reminder that it would serve India well to get the nuclear deal through so that it could get such technologies without too much trouble. “

Brahma Chellaney, a defense analyst at the Centre for Policy Research here, was critical of Washington’s attempts to control the flow of technologies.

“The U.S. still maintains greater technology controls against the world’s largest democracy than against communist China,” Chellaney said. “The latest case shows that instead of loosening high-tech controls against India, U.S. authorities are doing the reverse — cracking down even on exports to India that do not have military applications, such as Static Random Access Memory, capacitors, semiconductors, rectifiers and resistors. Such exports are permitted by the U.S. to Israel. So why not to ‘strategic partner’ India?”

Sudarshan, founder of Singapore-based Cirrus Electronics, and Mythili Gopal, a top executive, allegedly exported to India heat-resistant computer chips that can be used in missiles, micro-processors and semiconductors.

These items were allegedly to be used by the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre, which does civilian space work; the Aeronautics Development Establishment, which builds the Light Combat Aircraft; and defense contractor Bharat Dynamics, said the indictment.

But the question that begs to be answered is, why were these technologies allegedly stolen when they could have been acquired legally from the United States?

“Probably, the Indian establishments just took the easy way out or did not want to go through the delays envisaged in procedures for such equipment,” said Bhonsle.

“How I crossed swords with Chuck Yeager” – Admiral Arun Prakash

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1971War/ArunPrakash.html

Amazing article!! 😎