joeyI always thought this.. yet india is making ADS same 40k tonne.
dont know when India will learn that carriers r long time investment and making a 0k carrier over 40k saves money and specifically wartime security.
20 a/c is puny.it cant ever work as a air offence ship.
joeyDeep in Indian Territory hmm.
I wonder if it will cross Andaman Islands 😛
Jokes apart, JSF can be operated 4m carrier so if australia is so keen bout long range missions why dont it buy some carrier.
3000 miles away from shore flying with full tanks will give another 2k range means total 5k huge advantage.
joeyI dont think Rd93 would see pakistani colors.
Then again i dont care much.
40 Typhoons “it has been offered to paf in a article” is more dangerous than 150 JF17’s isnt it?
But i doubt Russia would commit something against Indias interest, they are closest partners from right 1957 and now they r having huge JV’s on GPS/SPACE co-operation/Mig 29/Carrier and hell lot of things.
Though russia would love to see beijing and delhi closer, so we would indians.but definitely not by any means going against indias interest.
joeyIMMOLS: up with flying colours
IMMOLS: up with flying colours
Faiz Askari reports on the Indian Air Force’s ERP deployment, a giant leap ahead in terms of inventory control, logistics management and e-Governance.
S Ramadorai
IMMOLS (Integrated Materials Management Online Services) is fully operational now making it the first gigantic enterprise resource planning solution implementation, in the history of India’s defence forces. Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) and Indian Air Force jointly announced the go-live of IMMOLS, a proud moment for the Indian Air Force (IAF) which is celebrating its platinum anniversary or 75 years.This nation-wide systems integration project addresses the need for computerising the IAF’s inventory control and logistics management. This project is also considered as a significant development in India’s road to e-Governance.
S Ramadorai, CEO and Managing Director, TCS said, “Project IMMOLS represents a milestone achievement for India. It is a great example of public-private partnership.”
Inaugurating the project, Minister for Defence, Government of India, Pranab Mukherjee said, “I’m proud to dedicate this project to the nation today, which holds the potential of setting new benchmarks on how computerisation can re-define the efficiencies for various defence applications—making us more equipped, agile and robust to effectively handle any contingencies, as well as benefitting from better cost management.”
Ramadorai added, “TCS is excited about this project, which is set to revolutionise the way the Indian Air Force manages its logistics and materials. This project exemplifies synergy between public and private sectors and springs from the IAF’s vision to adopt technology that will bring in greater administrative efficiencies.”
Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal SP Tyagi said, “Technically speaking, it was not an easy job. The major challenge for us was the vast geography of India.”
The money sunk into this project tots up to Rs 55 crore, IMMOLS has been implemented in a distributed manner at various IAF depots and it replaces the current manual system of materials management in the IAF at all levels of hierarchy and at all its headquarters and units across the country.
Tracking inventory transparently
Hinting at what exactly the IAF faced when it kicked off this project, Air Chief Marshal Tyagi said, “With respect to paper-based processes, the IAF was facing a big issue in keeping and maintaining records for inventory management. Then to track inventory and to communicate transparently with an individual running short of inventory were other issues that we needed to tackle. We required a comprehensive solution in short order.”
Other key challenges faced by implementing teams included countering the complexity of functionality, geographical spread, distributed data processing, training, large amount of inter-base information transfers and most importantly, the psychological barriers resisting change from a manual to a fully automated system.
Tackling the challenges
IMMOLS is the best example of streamlining of Indian defence logistics work and auditing. It is complemented by the Equipment Accounting On-Line System and the Audit Online System which are embedded in the solution. The strengths of IMMOLS are its e-auditability and e-vouchers features. The latter makes it a powerful and comprehensive logistics solution
Replacing paper-based processes, IMMOLS will obviate the problems that confronted the IAF—stock outs, delays, dependencies on individuals and inaccurate communications.Along with this, IMMOLS will provide asset visibility for better utilisation of available resources; it will provide information triggers for mid-course corrections in various materials management processes; help reduce inventory levels (leading to huge savings); improve fleet serviceability and so on.
The Air Chief said, “IMMOLS is the best example of streamlining of Indian defence logistics work and auditing. It is complemented by the Equipment Accounting On-Line System and the Audit Online System which are embedded in the solution. The strengths of IMMOLS are its e-auditability and e-vouchers features. The latter makes it a powerful and comprehensive logistics solution.”
Providing details on the project, Tanmoy Chakrabarty, Vice-president and Head, Global Government Industry Group, TCS said, “TCS IMMOLS took a concrete shape in 2003, wherein we carried out a pilot implementation at around 22 IAF sites. After extensive testing of the application, which included software development, acceptance testing, training, analysis and several other initiatives, the project has now been successfully rolled out nationally across all 108 sites of the IAF.”
Chakrabarty added, “I would like to thank the IAF for the assistance extended at every level right from creating a dedicated project office for IMMOLS to the support extended by top officials. This played a crucial role in ensuring the success of this project.”
IMMOLS can broadly be divided into two components—a custom designed application that caters to all facets of materials management at various levels of hierarchy in the IAF and IT infrastructure covering a nationwide installation of computing platforms and campus LANs.
Users as well as supply chain managers will now shift to IMMOLS, as the application will encompass all materials management tasks.
More defence projects on the anvil
With the successful implementation of IMMOLS under its belt, TCS is looking to implement more e-governance projects for the defence establishment.
Ramadorai said, “We are happy to see the results of our hard work and enjoy great relations with the Indian Air Force. I however, like to consider IMMOLS as a start of a success story. We look forward to replicating this success story in a short span of time.”
http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20061030/market06.shtml
Great to hear something is a world class management system.
TCS is very very reputed internationally as well makes softwares for Chinese banks and stuffs ..
Does this software has inbuild satellite information system too ? as in i mean capability to recieve information realtime if a war breaks out and update database.
and also tell user what is lacking and what needs to be ordered etc etc incase of war?
joeyBeautiful Submarines.Indeed.a Master Sub shows the naval supremacy of US.
I wish we had em 🙁
joeylol OMG LMAO.
i believe Varyag wont come to service ever instead they will build from scratch.
and i believe building a to fight USN in blue water rather than building nimitz class size making small carriers with extreme potent small a/c and fielding awacs with a must have aegis class destroyers r needed.
aegis/virginia ssn takes most of the cake.
seems like i post most controversial topics 😉 .
joeyIndia dont see US as the best friends either.
Yes we see American peoples as friends not american govt.they have huge double standards.
so your point India doesnt sees Us as a threat in the near future is not true.
remember when ur talking bout china fielding more than 3 carriers ur talking about a time gap of more than 2 decades.
joeyWhy because you say so 😉 ??
LOL yes! I do think if i became the defence Minister IN will prosper.
besides all these my one pf secret projects will be to build underwater submarine base.
Where is the chinese carrier ? And where are the battles ?? Running a succesfull carrier fleet is lot more important then making big carriers , the support and operation requires a lot of effort and iff done right pays big dividend in force projection . Every country that needs a carrier needs a particular size . they arent comparing who has the bigger “member” but responding to their respective threats .
carriers r long term things so i can see chinese carriers r coming within a decade, and that will be definitely a 60k tonne one as opposed to our 40k tonne.
thats wht me sayin when IN knows how to operate carrier it shud field 0k tonne
So India is in the same class of UK in deploying carrier groups to fight battles halfway across the globe ??
ofcourse not but then it depends who is the opponent.
like UK can effectively play with Thailand with its fleet whereeas if it tries to do so with Russia/IN/China things wont be tht easy.
now leave USN thats a crazy force.
afterall no country except USN they cant field 5 carriers if 2 carriers r lost by some bear/blackjack bombing.
They are demanding to their envisioned need – They aint blind but sensible .
hmm sensible 😐 i hope.
Mulashi > i didnt knew French’s carrier is so small.
well see not even 40. 20 planes wud do the trick provided they have something like e2Hawkeye or the SVOTL awacs i forgot the name though.
40k tonne retricts any sort of awacs use while a 55k tonne can take in lot of customizable goodies.
its like hacing strickt 512 mb ram or having 1024 mb.
joeydont know why but i feel India is doing something wrong in carrier thing . We need to increase the size by atleast 55000 tonnes full load atleast 2 squadrons of planes r needed .
🙁 :(.
the thought of India losing carrier battle with china despite having carrier for over 3 decades more than china drives me nuts.
anyone from IN here pls knock the MOD’s ass to have a bigger carrier. .
I know once one mentioned me indigenousness takes time but still we cud have went for 50k tonne rather than 40k tonne.
a single awacs “the SVOTL one” i forgot what its called “not the hawkeye” can be ofimmense advantage …on a carrier which a 50k carrier might hardly fit a 40k no chance.
thers PRACTICALLY no use of having a 40000 tonne carrier than 55 tonne.
it saves much money and covers literally more area than a one squadron plane can.
When UK is dumping the invincible class and goin towards bigger CVF i dont kno y fookin india is stuck with building one that too 40k tonnes max weight.
acquiring Gorshkov is ok cool
but next one SHUD BE 60K TONNES.are our Navy guys blind or have diff doctrine in mind????????
joeyRafales are goin to be a huge advantage.
awesome thing if EU lifts the embargo.
I believe China is going the right way with carriers > 50k tonnes more fighters more potent than IN ones i guess.
How is the Su33K compared to Mig29K (the IN version) ?
and how is Rafales compared to both? can anyone do a good comparison between these 3.
joeyhmm got this from a source
India, Russia to launch satellite for youth
India and Russia are working on a satellite that will enable communication between youths of the two countries, Indo-Asia News Service quoted President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam as saying in South India’s Hyderabad Thursday.
“The (Indian) government has approved the design and development of a youth satellite and its launching in collaboration with Russia,” Kalam said while interacting with students at a science congress in Hyderabad.
“Later, this facility will be made available to other countries as well,” Kalam said. The satellite would be launched by the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO).
Source: Xinhua http://english.people.com.cn/200601/06/eng20060106_233260.html
Nice indeed.but i have no clue how it will work.
joeyRussia, India to use Glonass satellite system together
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20061004/54513431.html
MOSCOW, October 4 (RIA Novosti) – Russia and India will use a 24-satellite navigational and global positioning system, Glonass, together, a spokesman for the Russian Federal Space Agency said.
“A Russian inter-departmental delegation will arrive in India to coordinate the details October 27,” Igor Panarin said.Glonass, a Russian analogue of the United States Global Positioning System, is designed to allow both military and civilian users around the globe to receive signals from satellites to identify their positions in real time. It can also be used in geological prospecting.
Panarin said India’s access to information from and joint operation of Glonass-M and Glonass-K satellites were discussed on the sidelines of the Space Generation Congress, under way in Valencia, Spain.
Two types of satellites are currently in use – Glonass and its updated version Glonass-M. Glonass-M has a longer service life of seven years and is equipped with updated antenna feeder systems, and an additional navigation frequency for civilian users.
A future modification, Glonass-K, is an entirely new model. Tests on Glonass-K satellites are scheduled for 2007. They are small spacecraft that are considerably lighter than their previous models, which makes them less costly to put into orbit.
Their weight also allows the use of a wider range of carrier rockets. Glonass-Ks’ estimated service life has been increased to 10-12 years, and a third “civilian” L-range frequency was added.
The Defense Ministry said August 30 Glonass will be fully deployed by 2010, when the number of satellites will be brought from the current 17 to 24.
Panarin also said Russia will launch a small research satellite, Youthsat, which is an Indo-Russian project, and an agreement on the matter could be signed in November.
“The satellite will be built in India and launched by a Russian carrier rocket,” Panarin said.
Panarin said Igor Perminov, Federal Space Agency chief, and Madhavan Nair, who heads India’s Space Research Organization, met to discuss progress under a contract to supply Russian-made cryogenic engines to India’s GSLV geosynchronous launch vehicles.
Russia is expected to supply seven cryogenic upper stages to India, which originally wanted to buy the Russian technology to build the engines domestically, but U.S. pressure prevented their delivery. India has been working to develop a cryogenic engine for the past 11 years.
Working to cut its dependence on foreign launch vehicles, India has had four operational GSLV flights since 2004 using Russian engines for the upper stage.
Whats with this Youth sat ?? i saw it in Tv as well. is it something that will allow us to have GPs devices for free for kids or umm say Visual Radio? Rado with video tht is only n Finland right now.?
joeyCurious and then things needed redisigning after 1998 nuke crisis.
specially the FBW whish was firstly degiend with boeing after sanctions.. needed to done with home chickens.
joeyI dont think such persuade exists on Glonass.. does it? 😛
joeyaight aight looks nice but kinda small. hmm i thot it wud have been much bigger.
How many a/c it can carry i mean Mig29k’s? 24?
btw Gorshkov name is cool like most Russian names 😛
One thing i dont understand when IN is building another Carrier why is it going the Gotshkov size.. why not 50 AC’s.
It requires less funding and yet performs as 2 carriers combines isnt it?
or there r better advantages of small carriers?
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