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  • in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2488537
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    Russia captures fifth of Georgian tanks

    http://www.lenta.ru/news/2008/08/16/take/

    The main points:

    – Russian forces have seized 20% of Georgian Tanks. 65 tanks in total have been taken away. But around 20 of them were damaged or defective and were later destroyed. So, out of about 230 – 240 Tanks that Georgia had, 44 are in Russia’s inventory.

    – The equipment was seized/removed from various Georgian bases including Gori and Senaki.

    – Equipment captured includes:

    65 tanks (20 of them were later destroyed)
    15 BMP-2 armoured vehicles
    5 Osa (SA-8) Surface to Air antiaircraft systems
    D-30 howitzers
    DANA Czech made self-propelled howitzers
    American armoured vehicles
    764 M-16 American made rifles
    28 M-40 American made machine guns
    754 AK Russian made machine guns

    Looks like the Russians captured more tanks that they lost.
    The American made armoured vehicles must be a case of mistaken identification. They are probably reffering to Turkish made wheeled APCs that were indeed captured.

    As the saying goes:
    Thewinner takes it all
    To the victor go the spoils

    Edit: Here is a video of the captured equipment/war trophies.
    http://news.ntv.ru/138258

    “Watch war trophies” is the title.

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2488742
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    The humanitarian relief mission is the most “robust” non-violent response imaginable. Basically, the US is seeking to secure the ports and airports to distribute aid. Without distribution, the airlifted supplies from the C-17s will not reach the victims of the current crisis.

    The Russian aren’t about to stop American C-17 humanitarian flights or the docking of a hospital ship. How can they block humanitarian aid, after all? This is why the strategy is brilliant.

    Why would they be interested in stopping humanitarian aid?

    During the joint press conference with Sarkozy, Medvedev outlined the points of the ceasefire. That included opening up routes for humanitarian aid to flow in to the region.

    Basically, Russia has not opened humanitarian aid corridors, or provided for the safety and welfare of Georgian civilians

    They did. They left Tbilissi international airport open throughout the conflict so that diplomat/mediators could come and go, so could humanitarian aid. The Russians could have bombed and shut down that airport just like the Israelis did to Beirut airport during 2006.

    Is there any offer from Russia to provide for the rebuilding of Gori, or Russian offers of full compensation for lives and property lost in Georgia?

    The damage in Gori is superficial compared to the destruction of Tsinkvali. The Russians have already indicated that they will pay for the complete reconstruction of Tsinkvali.

    Did George Bush offer anything to the S. Ossetians?

    The truth is that the humanitarian aid mission is just that – a humanitarian aid mission

    Yes. It also proves that, depite killing each other, human beings help each other too. Unfortunately, human beings also politicize humanitarian aid.

    Russia has been caught off guard by this response

    Why? All humanitarian aid is supposed to flow to the region. That was one of the six points of the cease-fire agreement.

    Russia has been caught off guard by this response, much as Stalin was caught off guard by the Berlin Airlift.

    Speaking of being caught off-guard, it was Saakashvili who was caught off-guard by the determined efficincy of the Russian army. BTW, Stalin was Georgian (not Russian), his real name is Dzhugashvili.

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2488869
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    The Russian airforce lost a total of 4 aircraft. Hard to make an analysis or judgement on how bad (or good) that is because:

    – we don’t know how many total combat missions they flew.
    – we don’t know how many SAMs were fired against them.

    The only thing we can judge is the results they produced. Even that is not very well known. They definitly had many successes. The Russian victory on the ground is at least partly due to their air force’s straffing atatcks. There are many photos of destroyed Georgian equipment from air attacks.

    However, very little is known about the RuAF’s air attacks on Georgian bases, command centers, radars, airfields etc. They may even have done SEAD missions…unfortunately very little info has been provided thus far.

    3 Su-25s lost during low level/low speed straffing attacks is to be expected. No surprises there.

    The lone Tu-22 Backfire lost (allegedly to a SA-11 BUK) is the puzzle. Was it poor planning or execution by the Russians? Was it due to clever use of the SAM by the Georgians? Did they just get lucky?

    Surprisingly the Russians did not loose a single Mi-24. Is it due to new tactics and/or better ways of using them? Did they just get lucky?

    Hopefully, we will get a clearer picture when more information becomes available.

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2488981
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    If you are interested in seeing serious images of the fighting look here. Includes photos from the results of straffing attacks by the Su-25 Frogfeet on the Georgian military. Also some Georgian equipment (from various origins) captured by the Russians as war trophies.

    http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112

    or

    http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=551#551

    WARNING: many graphic images

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2490266
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    I believe these ships were set on fire byu Russian troops who entered the city of Poti. The burning missile boat is the Tbilissi.

    It is still not knwn which ship was sunk at sea the other day. Possibly, one of the ex-Greece COMBATANTE missile boats???

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2490304
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    More photos of the Georgian navy in Poti:

    http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6235/12186421371218163121bf8.jpg

    http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1141/12186421551217606676hp8.jpg

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2490335
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    One of the Georgian UAVs shot down today.

    http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2246/b242574sx1.jpg

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2490348
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    Another Georgian UAV shot down. 2nd one in 24 hours

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LD357453.htm

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2490352
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    Georgian Navy burning

    http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4058/43mz2.jpg
    Georgian Navy warships burning in the port city of Poti.

    http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8116/113fy8.jpg
    This is the missile boat “TBILISSI”

    in reply to: New fighter for Georgia #2490977
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    Given that their economy will be in shambles for a long while. I doubt they will be able to afford to buy Lebanon’s Hawker Hunters.

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2491021
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    Some photos of the results of Russian Su-25 and Mi-24 straffing attacks are showing up.

    http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4043/01020126766000vd4.jpg
    Georgian engineering vehicle

    http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3678/01020126766600fu9.jpg
    Georgian BMP on fire on the road to Tbilissi

    http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3601/s640x480gz1.jpg
    Abandonned Czech made DANA self propelled artillery near Gori

    http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7885/s640x480hj6.jpg
    Destroyed Georgian BMP near Gori

    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3307/s640x480ka1.jpg
    Abandonned Georgian DANA near Kori

    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1498/s640x480zk3.jpg
    Abandonned Georgian artillery piece with its MTLB tractor.

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2491025
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    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/655/1430067og4.jpg

    Rough translation:

    IF TOO LITTLE

    I WILL BRING MORE

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2491049
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    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2297/1430197zu4.jpg

    BULLSEYE 🙂

    Russian SS-21 destroys Georgian government owned Lada Niva.

    One problem: The missile is worth a lot more than the car 😀

    On a more serious note: It is being reported that the SS-21 missiles fired were used to deliver sub-munitions and that it is the rear part of the missile that destroyed the Georgian car. So, a secondary target was also destroyed.

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2491054
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    Yes because writing to Mr Putin is sure to get me an answer, you need to chill out dude, all i have done is make an observation about the lack of armour destroyed, i was not saying the Russian airforce is wrong for failing to impress me, rather that it was unexpected that they seemingly failed to inflict any serious casualties on the Georgian armour, i’m sorry if you have a problem with that but thats how i view the use of airpower so far in the conflict. You are of course entitled to your own opinion and i won’t shout you down for having it like you have to me.

    This is the latest reincarnation of Jon James

    in reply to: The Military Situation in Georgia, S.O. and Abkhazia #2491170
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    In any case, it is more than interesting that Russia did / could not achieve full air superiority against Georgia. Air-land coordination and use of PGM + night attack capabilities also seemed highly poor.

    Unlike previous US/NATO campains which started with air-defense suppression raids, the Russians seemed to be more interested in straffing the Georgian army. That is understandable as they had to evict the Georgian troops out of S. Ossetia ASAP ansd did not have the luxury of time as events were imposed on them.

    Later on during the conflict they have attacked key radars (there is at least one video clip showing that). They also bombed airbases, naval ports etc. They may have also attacked SAM sites etc. Some of these attacks were done by night.

    With time, we will get more info about the war and obtain a clearer picture.

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