Like it or not, F-35 will dominate the international fighter market, just as what has been achieved by F-16.

A 13 TM aircraft with a completely new engine, dominating the market?..a program that is still in development, and nobody already knows if will fare well?

Europeans won’t buy a lot of them, is too heavy for them, what’s next, Turkey? how many will be bought?

If the F-35 would weigh 9-10 tons, and would share it engine with another aircraft, with the US industrial infrastructure, then yes, it would dominate the market, i don’t know if the program will or not be a success, but i’m ready to bet this program is not a F-16 reincarnation.

This aircraft is not a ‘western Mig-21’ (aka F-16), is a complex plane full of ridiculous over engineering, I’m sorry to burst your fantastic bubble…but this design won’t achieve such success.

Expect countries getting out of the program, and a lot of order cuts, after we see the final product.

It success will be comparable with the F-18 at best..if it ends successfully

This aircraft is more complex and heavy than a F-15…by a long shot…and you come here saying it will be a F-16v2…keep on dreaming Toan…it will be a harsh awaking.

Why not just wait and see?..I don’t get all this histeria..

People are fighting here for the date of deployement..some say in 3 years, some say in 5 years…IMO the program is not mature enough to predict a defined date…could be in 3 years ….or 50 years…or never…

The program is facing problems, who knows what is going on.

Mr. Hilton, i really respect your contributions in this board, but i think both of you (including the pcfem kid) don’t understand what I’m trying to say :), is irrelevant anyways..

There is a reliable data over the DSI thingie? as far i understand it did not increase the F-16 mach development, nor did a great deal..only thing we have is the LM claim of the M2 ‘great feat’, but is there something more specific?

Don’t confuse JSF’s inlet installation with F16’s and both won’t do the same, although the inlet shape is similar.

No, they are not 🙂 ….i won’t go further, i will just wait and see..but both intakes, and specially the ‘cones’ are not the same 🙂

F-35’s case, the inlets aren’t the single point of failure limiting

Top speed is not the sole factor for engine’s performance, acceleration, maintenance, stalling, etc are important as well, and the inlet does have a influence there, for example.

An inlet coud be designed to achieve M2, but it acceleration from M1.1 to M1.5 is lower than from M1.5 to M1.7, another inlet designed for M1.5, with better acceleration at M1.1 to M1.5…for maneuvering the stalling probability could be lower at M1.5 than M1.2, the lost of thrust at X AoA should be A at M1.3 and B at M0.8, etc, etc, etc…

Ok , no problem, then the range could be M1.3 to m1.5 for the F-35..according with the requirements, with a max speed of M1.6, and for the F-16 was probably M1.7-M1.9 with max speed M2..

The point is that having this inlet means nothing.

but understand that the damage was done by an under-the-keel explosion from someones heavyweight torpedo.

This is the problem of perception in this whole incident

The torpedo found is not a real evidence

The analysis over the damaged ship can be taken as evidence.

The expert is saying the accident was caused by a collision, not by a explosion.

The ship did not detect any torpedo launching.

But people will still believe that it was a torpedo, why?, just because they ‘found’ (read seed) a torpedo nearby?

US subs have been involved in collisions under ‘shallow’ waters, so is not impossible.

ever heard of ejector nozzles? seems no

it’s your problem – it’s just seems that your something-meter has fault due to the lack of education

I really don’t understand your reply..regarding my original post, are you saying the exhaust transverse area is controlled with the surrounding flow?, read again my post, and answer it.

If so, then i guess the exhaust wont need movable parts?

I don’t think you really understand it.

Owned from Moscow, Russia.

Ohh the russian crowd has come! 😀

A bit hard to believe, i can’t see how the exhaust flow could be controlled , unless the inner pads are movable.

One can see where the cooling for the exhaust comes from… (no, it does not come from the compressor stages)

My skeptic-meter is 9 on a scale of 10 😀

You missed the point. In real combat a pilot will not care about peace-time limitations

I really don’t care about this, I’m not here for a cold war macho contest.

This is applied for every plane as well, with enough starting speed and height a Mig-23 can outurn a F-15, so what?

The point here is the airframe limitations, and the probability for a fatal failures.