it would get shoot down because mig23 is very bad.
north vietnamese pilots is very good, so many aces come from there, but even in mig23 they will get shot down. look at history elsewhere.

i think russia and china have many good opportunity to work more closely in security and work together.
russia and china need relationship like us and english.
i am very open to china offering j31 to russia navy to replace mig29. russia benefit much because they get new stealth design with out wasting money on making a second smaller fighter because china do that for them. also russia benefit because it use russian engine!!
china can exchange for russian energy because russia is very good at it.
it is a very good win and win situation!

russian aircraft carrier with j31 can easily protect russian ally like syria from israel

The likes of “4.5 Generation” or “5th Generation” is nothing but marketing hype, even former CEO (Enzo Casolini) of Eurofighter GmbH stated it was just marketing, yes he included Typhoon in that too. When Boeing were bidding for the Indian MMRCA their Super Hornet/IN (now known as the “Silent Hornet”) was promoted as a “5th Generation” product. LM have trouble defining the term “5th Generation” for their F-22 and F-35… There’s so many contradictions between these manufacturers.

Palembang, the fact that you say “English” as opposed to ‘British’, ‘UK’ or ‘Great Britain’, just shows you’re a Spanner short of having a complete Tool Box. Get a clue before you spout nonsense.

english british uk britin it dont matter. in end tayphon is from there. you focus too much on small issue but totally ignore the big picture and main topic.

Can you use a CNC to machine out a center bulkhead for F22? If not, then your case for comparison is void.

Ti bulkhead or other critical parts fabricated by 3D printing only involves one major step, the print itself, while the similar Ti critical parts for F22 are fabricated involving 3 major steps: ultra high pressure forge, then usually H.I.Ped, and lastly welding which has to overcome complicated corrosion issue.

After you have reviewed the whole picture RELEVANT to the topic

Then it’s time to conclude which process is more time friendly, and let alone the cost.

frend, do not get to angry about people reply. many is envious of how fast china is growing now. the idea that china can use new method to build plane before other country hurts the pride of some.

So you freely admit that after all your bluster that you have ZERO evidence for what you are claiming in respect of J-10B performance.

Secondly the Typhoon roadmap is clearly reported, what is being integrated is in the public domain and we have actual information about that technology. We know next to nothing about J-10B development. We have to pretty much base all our assumptions on what pictures are posted on Chinese blogs. The European countries buying Typhoon are not trying to stop that procurement, they are trying to reduce the number purchased. Reducing the number purchased is not due to performance shortfalls, it is because of budget reduction in those countries.

Finally you directly mentioned DSI is your previous post so don’t lie you cretin.

if it is so clear and reported how come you do not post it? where is it? you are just as bad as eeelightning. first you try ruin thread about pakistan by focusing on typhoon. then you cannot even support typhoon claim. where is the proof? pakistan, india, china none of them will use typhoon but they will see j10b in one or two of the country i mention.
you cannot name call people either. please read forum rule. i know maybe you get upset because you use only words not picture or number or other source to proove yourself, but you still need to follow rule. i follow them!

As we know, the BAC TSR-2 was a cancelled Strike and Reconnaissance aircraft which was to be developed for the RAF during the height of the Cold War in the ’60s. It showed to have potential and promise despite some teething issues during development and testing, which is expected for any programme, even today. Nevertheless, the TSR-1 was an aircraft that ‘should have been’ and as we know, politics buried the programme and broke the hearts if it’s creators and it’s potential operators.

If the Politicians had have supported the TSR-2 programme, where would it have led and where would it have been today?…

“All modern aircraft have four dimensions: span, length, height and politics. TSR-2 simply got the first three right.”

-Sir Sydney Camm.

tsr2 look a lot like j8ii and same role too!
i feel tsr2 is british version of the j8

difference is tsr2 has french style intake and j8 has f4 style intake
i think if tsr2 became reality it performance would be like j8 level

That’s your reply? Okay, so you claim ‘yours is better than another’s’ yet when you’re given a snippet of information which is widely known, you say they can’t be compared, not only that, you ignore the experiences with AESA technology I pointed out, and I didn’t even mention the UK’s Bright Adder AESA programme which ‘Captor-E Radar-3’ will be based on … What a Troll. So why don’t you just stick to keeping on topic (if you can) and keep your silly claims to yourself, if you can’t back them up then it’s best to keep quiet in the first place.

my reply is good. i post picture, evidence, and manufacturrer link. you post nothing just angry words. you also try to compare experiment plane with real plane.
i know there are many version of typhoon just like how f16 has dsi, delta wings, and other things but those do not go into production.
i waste my time argue with some one who cannot put source or evidence and cannot tell difference between real and experiment.

Ha, ha, good one. Well what can you say..China strong..so J-10B must be more powerfull than a fighter that resulted from collaborative effort from aviation industries that have much more experience and track record from China Aviation Industries combined.

china gdp is 12 trillion
gnlish is 2
germany is 3
italy and spain is 1 something

of cos typhoon countries have to combine effort because their economy and research money is smaller.