Great shots Killagee,
Its always nice to see shots from Avalon.
Thanks for posting
Septic.
[QUOTE=Hairyplane;I don’t know what the answer is. for we live in a world where Joe Soap will think nothing of paying nearly a hundred quid an hour to have his car serviced but will balk at less than half that for skills the well paid mechanic ( sorry-Technician!) in the nice, modern, warm(!) car workshop couldn’t shake a stick at.
How many youngsters are learning the artisan skills of aircraft woodworking? Where do they learn it? How can they afford to learn it? I see a major skill shortage looming.
H[/QUOTE]
Its not just aircraft woodworking!
The skill shortage isn’t looming its already here, the schools and education system in the UK are gradually killing manufacturing industries, I have recently put two young lads through college as apprentice Joiners, when they came to me straight from school they totally lacked any hands on practical experience, the design and technology classes they received appeared to be woefully inadequate, too much time was spent on the theory of a project and too little on actually constructing it.
As they progressed through college it became evident to me that a very large section of the course was spent on Health and Safety instruction to the detriment of practical ‘hands on training’. They both went onto achieve passes of distinction but there depth of knowledge and abilities are far inferior to those that would have been accepted twenty years ago.
How do we we change the trend, reintroduce woodwork, metalwork and some basic engineering to the national curriculum, (Everyone can’t be in IT or leisure and tourism!) Encourage those that shine in practical subject areas, there should be no stigma attached to following this career path.
Encourage organisations that have the facilities to run vocational training courses that raise the bar far higher than the current NVQ’s. These courses could be available to school leavers as well as those looking for a change of career direction. (Perhaps the Shuttleworth Collection could itself be involved with this type of project offering both Aircraft and Vehicle restoration courses!)
And lastly take a step back from this risk assessment and blame culture that we live in today, allow people of whatever age to have a go and get there hands dirty.
Septic.
Hi Tom,
There was an excellent clip showing the elastoplast type of patch in the old EMI released Spitfire documentary.
All the best
Septic.
Great shots Darren,
Well worth the wait.:)
Septic.
Hi Mutant,
You might want to take a look at this place on your travels, another favourite with the pilots stationed at Hawkinge.
Septic.
[QUOTE=Roobarb; Did you ever get any shots of the P40 when it had been painted or the TF51?[/QUOTE]
Hi Roobard,
I did see the P40, and did photograph the aircraft on a couple of occasions, but the TF51 proved to be more elusive, I’ll try to find the P40 shots.
Septic.
This thread may give you a hint of whats in store.
Good luck with the trip.
Septic.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=59027&highlight=septic
Do you mean this one Rob, the photos date from October 1988, I spent many weekends up at Biggin during the late 80’s early 90’s hoping to see Doug’s aircraft outside, this was one of the more successful trips.
Septic.



Makes you wonder what value they place on “War prizes” that are really the property of the nation as they were “won” by forces acting on the county’s behalf. Then again this is the same museum that spent £42k of lottery money on a Zero wreck that is less intact than the one they already have at Lambeth. That was about 6 years ago and it doesn’t look like much of an investment to me and seems to be rather “insignificant” in comparison to a complete Cold war Sea Vixen in its original paintwork or a Pucara captured when we liberated one of our own outlying communities from an aggressor in 1982. I guess it’s just not PC to have items that reflect we have beaten enemy forces in the past or that we had a stand-off with the Warsaw pact for umpteen years………….:mad:
I couldn’t agree more Roobarb, with the 25th anniversary of the Falklands war almost upon us the Pucara should be placed prominently on display with other representative types associated with the war.
From the IWM website.
The Imperial War Museum is thus the national museum of twentieth century conflict. It illustrates and records all aspects of modern war, and of the individual’s experience of war, whether allied or enemy, service or civilian, military or political, social or cultural. Its rôle embraces the causes, course and consequences of conflict and it has an essentially educational purpose.
Can’t seem to see a Falklands exemption in this statement.:D
Creaking Door, don’t worry about the photo.:)
Septic.
The Pitcairn was registered N10753, he also had two Stearmans, one of these is now owned by a Country Music star called Roy Clark.
Septic.
Nonsense, it’s just a flesh wound.
A bit of filler here and there no one will know:rolleyes:
Septic.
Nice shots! I didn’t realize they had a CR.32 in any fashion… that’s quite a spectacular piece. And I have to say, that Triplata (the Hispano-engined 109) is one of the sexiest versions of the 109 out there… yet it’s completely ignored in model form, what a pity!
Thanks for the photos-
Lynn
I forgot to say the same company also produces a resin conversion kit of the HA-1109 J1L.
Septic.
Can they sneak in another prop blade when they rebuild her and confuse the Spitfire spotters? Is there an ‘Area 51’ for plastic Spitfires?
If they rebuild her, it might be quicker and cheaper to start again with a new fuselage.
Septic.

‘Polecam’ for Chrissie, Gary?
Mark
Not quite, a shutter release cable.:D
Septic.
Second batch. Rupert V the Luftwaffe.









