James
Can’t help but agree with you.
This site despite all the crap that goes on is about information sharing like your news and Stormbirds info on the new Corsair and all the other stuff that goes on.
I also can’t help but think that the news you are able to bring us from what was until now a fairly quiet and closed shop is a very good opportunity missed if you decide not to share “releasable” info with us as well as insights and views on a lot of the stored material that doesn’t get viewed much such as the Ventura , Boomerang etc
Please take time to reflect and understand that a lot of us truely do hang out for your news even if I do take the opportunity to take the p@#s occasionally – Mustang killer!!
A lot of people have misunderstood what I thought was a pretty clear point here – that the point Cook displays/demonstrations have a different purpose from air shows – I thought it was pretty clear and especially as you had sourced your remarks from those attending.
As an aside I can’t help but think that the Mustang or the other one must now be considered excess and as such vulnerable to disposal – there was, I believe a third one which was disposed as surplus a while back. This is no great issue especially if it stays in Australia and as a CAC example I would hope it does. On the other hand it it does go on the market there is no comming back from that if at a later stage policy changes again and they want to get it flying again.
Regards
John p
Hi gents
Well I have to say the highlight of all of this intercontinental larceny is the body searches at the airports – some very nice customs officers at Heathrow!!!
John P
Paul
Agreed
Lets do some aeroplanes – Now when are the Beaufighters coming downunder so they can be done faster BUT not better.
Sleep well guys it’s not world peace.
Regards
John
Paul
Agreed
Lets do some aeroplanes – Now when are the Beaufighters coming downunder so they can be done faster BUT not better.
Sleep well guys it’s not world peace.
Regards
John
Mr Tweed !!!!!!
I know what that means and you WILL cop a ban if you aren’t careful.
Naughty boy!!!
JP
Well James
All I can say it was a nice flying collection till you arrived – planning on taking a large Museum and turning it into a small one ??
So have you grounded the Harvard and Tiger as well yet or are you waiting until they repair the harvard till it gets grounded – it is after all a NA product!!!
Kindest and sweetest regards
I remain your humble servant
John P
DHFAN
Ok so who is the thug me or JDK or Oscar Duck !!!!!!!
I do so miss Homer (not)
Regards
John P
DHFAN
Ok so who is the thug me or JDK or Oscar Duck !!!!!!!
I do so miss Homer (not)
Regards
John P
The trick with being a moderator is to be moderate – a trick that has escaped here or been deleted
Regards
John P
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The trick with being a moderator is to be moderate – a trick that has escaped here or been deleted
Regards
John P
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James
You are not fooling anybody with that condescending attitude – I reckon you should be banned from this forum for what you have done to that plane – Shame , Shame , Shame
You are already internationally infamous for your intollerant attitudes to the “Cadillac of the air” no wonder you had to get out of town, so as to speak – I reckon you just missed the lynching party from what I heard!!
Kindest regards
JP
Well done James
Your dislike of all things P51 has obviously resulted in this and how long is it you have been working there? Fast work I say – No flies (or fliers) on you
Regards
John P
Hi
Yes re engining is a bit of an issue
I certainly the appreciate the 20 plus Yak3/9s flying about with Allisons in them – I tend to forget they have the wrong donk shoved in there but I am glad I get to see them and they add spice to any air show – Naturally they don’t have a provenance and you can buy 7 for the price of a Spit with a Provenance but the Spit does have a very expensive data plate after all !!!!! But EEK !!! There are several of those feral Spits that look like the real thing but are made of wood and have an Allison up front – whatever is the world coming to – still at least they wouldn’t let em fly in blighty by god!! Not without a data plate, the correct tie and a s#@load of Pound Sterling provenance
Regards
John P
Mark 12
“Five wrecks consumed! Would you care to tell us which continent this was on, Europe, US, Australasia etc?”
Not the UK – and no for obvious reasons I will not disclose where.
“If we are talking about the UK restored Spitfire echelon at Leg-ends this year, I am just not recognising this ‘historic vandalism’. Can you be specific to serial and let’s discuss? Are we really saying that rotten propellers, head popping magnesium alloy rivets, time expired rubber and crazed perspex MUST be preserved?”
I am really sick of the bulldust “Provenance” argument put up by self serving interests in the industry over the identity of an aircraft. Let’s face it I just went to Duxford and saw Leg ends, and a great air show it was too. There were all these “WW11” fighters there – fantastic – such a wonderful sight but I would be really surprised how much of each Spit airframe for example was “original” and for reasons stated above I am pleased they aren’t. But They all have an identity or provenance based upon a donor airframe which can be as small as a data plate or can consume major parts of a static airframe which is then often scrapped rather than being used in a static rebuild just so it doesn’t confuse the title/provenance of someone’s flying investment – pure vandalism of a historic artefact. Future generations will cringe at this travesty. We can have both so easily just tidy up the regulations to allow for title allocation and allow for incentives to preserve donor aircraft in museums – You know it makes sense – let’s do it.
As you can see fromthe FULL context of what I said I was pleased they had been restored and totally rebuilt – the more so the better – My POINT is that I think all flying aircraft SHOULD be full reconstructions – My other POINT is that
“Are we really saying that rotten propellers, head popping magnesium alloy rivets, time expired rubber and crazed perspex MUST be preserved?”
If they are historic and able to be preserved – Yes they should – it’s not all about the holy dollar/pound – history is important. Provinance is just Marketing bunkem by an industry trying to maintain inflated prices and thats why the past is scrapped.
“There has been no significant consumption of quality Spitfire engineered parts to the patterning process that I am aware of.”
I am surprised that you can say that, however the world is not just about Spits but I have witnessed large chunks of a Spit which could have been very high quality static rebuild material scrapped and there are pics to prove it – no I am not happy to display them here but if you must I will drag them out and send them over to you.
I really fail to see where you are headed on this or previous threads
Answer these questions
1) Do you want to see as many new build Spits in the air as possible – Ground up new builds.
2) Do you want to see as much historic material as can be salvaged from a wreck utilised in a static rebuild.
They are the basis of my discussion, and as I want both the answer to both from me is yes.
If you answer yes then there is no disagreement
Regards
John P
Hi all
A further point
It is my understanding that this aircraft is not destroyed , rather badly damaged and as such I would expect that in the fullness of time one way or another it will fly again – it is the nature of such things that given modern techniques and the value of such an aircraft it will be in the air again. Really makes you weep to see this happen though. same goes for restored Blenhiems though 100% crashes from restorations – I don’t read much into that except being careful every time they fly. Remember the Polikarpovs in NZ have the same reputation for being pigs to take off and land but there has only been one minor accident and there are more of them than Me’s
My opinion
John P