:confused:i wonder if these mysteres a t33 are covered by the american lease scheme??
due to them being payed for by the yanks??…ie, will they let them go into private hands ????
All the Mysteres, T-33’s and F100’s are loaned via the USAF Museum at Dayton as they were all MDAP funded by the USA in the 50’s and hence returned to their ownership at the end of their active life.
At the time of their return through Sculthorpe, many of the fledgling collections in the UK were able to take advantage of this loan arrangement and it provided a boost for quite a few collections in their early days.
This arrangement in the post 9/11 era is one the US no longer actively supports hence as colections fold or no longer declare an interest in a particular airframe from this cache they are being retrieved and scrapped to avoid any possible ‘terrorist threat’ :rolleyes: Its entirely unlikely that any will be held by private individuals even as cockpit sections – too much paperwork for the Americans I suspect.
Why is that? Something wrong with XV246?
I believe its costs, ZJ517 (PA-03) already exists and has now flown into storage with the other two pre prod aircraft at Woodford. Its cheaper to update this to full production std, than complete ZJ525 (PA-12).
BTW, does anyone have a list of which airframes are still current, which ones have become 4s, and which ones are getting preserved and scrapped?
The ones which were at Kinloss at the end were:
XV226
XV229
XV231
XV232
XV235
XV241
XV244
XV250
XV252
XV254
XV255
XV260
Of these, some were already undergoing spares recovery before the end of operations (XV248 had already been broken up)
Those identified for MR4 conversion were:
XV227 To ZJ521
XV228 To ZJ523
XV233 To ZJ520
XV234 To ZJ518
XV242 To ZJ517
XV243 To ZJ524
XV245 To ZJ522
XV246 To ZJ525
XV247 To ZJ516
XV251 To ZJ514
XV258 To ZJ515
XZ284 To ZJ519
Of these ZJ525(XV246) has been cancelled on the line to be replaced by the reworking of pre-production ZJ518
Ones in preservation (currently)
XV240 at Kinloss (complete)
XV259 (C) Carlise Museum
XW666 (C) Aeroventure Museum Doncaster
XV248 (F) due to Highland Museum Inverness
XV250 due to YAM Elvington
Crashed on night Monday April 25th 1955/ Tuesday April 26th 1955
WF426 of 2ANS
The W/O date on UK Serials is wrong for this. And the correct date is 26th April as it ‘crashed after midnight’
Entry duly ammended on the site -suspect a ‘2’ was missed when the entry was typed into the database, now changed to reflect the 26th.
Well it appears as follows after today’s meeting with Sir Peter Rigby:
Main entrance will be moving up to Rowley Road, which is currently the entrance for the Tower and the Airpark. Whereas the Museum, Locomotive park and rugby club will be redeveloped to include a new science park.
Moggy
Well thats pretty much the 1994 plan as described in my post above, which has had the cobwebs blown off it !
I think my statement stands as is.
Museums View
Having spent the afternoon with the Museum Chairman I now have a far better understanding of the situation and it is far removed from the doomsday scenario possibly suggested.
Back in 1994 a planning proposal was submitted which effectively re-zoned the land occupied by the Museum, the Rugby club and the Railway collection as ‘contaminated greenbelt’ and therefore suitable for development (a possible science park was mooted at the time), more crucially it included a new ‘northern entrance’ to the Airfield thus removing traffic from Baginton village. The proposed site for this entrance was within the boundary of the Rugby club and nowhere near the existing ‘pope road’ which boundaries the museum and currently provides access to the ATC tower and fire services. This was dealt with by the museum at the time and eventually became a forgotten plan in a drawer within the Council; it certainly has not affected the development of the Museum in the meantime or been an inhibitor to any discussions on the Museums future.
As part of the current discussions regarding the Airfield’s future operation it appears this plan has been dusted off, crucially the part regarding the installation of a new entrance off Rowley Rd, presumably as a way of appeasing the nimby’s within the Village who are determined the airfield stays shut. There are no current or proposed plans regarding the other aspects of this scheme at present.
As a totally separate exercise the museum has been in negotiation with the Council regarding the renewal of the current lease for a further 30 years, over the past several months. These are at an advanced stage and at no time has the existence of the longstanding proposal above been viewed as a roadblock to this being successfully concluded. An agreement in principal was reached before the Museum committed its hard earned funds to the erection of the new education / lecture room, this perhaps sheds some light on how likely any development activity utilising this proposal is.
The Museum is to seek clarification as a result of this latest development, but its not viewed as an imminent or clear danger to the collection at this time.
It is however worth pointing out that no one and no collection is immune from the possibility of a local council coming and compulsory purchasing the land you occupy. In that unlikely event the Museum is well prepared to discuss how they intend to support the moving of a Nationally accredited, Regionally significant, Heritage collection with strong local community ties providing jobs and work placements, and links to several higher education establishments, recognised as a leader in its field. A bunch of old aeroplanes in a field it ain’t!
Perhaps shouldn’t be too pessimistic – “every cloud” and all that.
Although a move would involve a lot it could be that the MAM will come out of it “smelling of roses” again.
Roger Smith.
Sorry Roger I do not see anything positive in what is currently reported. Unless the council / new owners are prepared to fund the moving of the entire museum infrastructure, including providing new buildings, then this is very bad news indeed.
Bizzarely the Museum has just completed the installation of a brand new lecture room / education centre out of museum funds (a not insignificant investment of several tens of thousands of pounds) and at no point during the planning process was anything relating to the current reported ‘developments’ even raised by the council…..
Moggy I assume its taken from the posts on pprune
Its a truly worrying development and a potential bombshell.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/204900-coventry-97.html
I’m going to drop into the Museum after work now to see what they do (or do not) know!
There is currently a meeting of tenants being held at the Airport with a museum representative in attendance.
Not yet another reason to make the looooong journey to Millom is it ???? 😮
Nimrod offered to Museums
I understand that at least one Nmrod (serial no XV252) has been offerred to a number of museums over the past couple of months, through direct contacts from Kinloss.
This included the RAFM at Cosford (although it would have to fly into Shawbury in that instance and move by road)
This particular airframe needs a major post christmas, so the stipulation was to fly in before then.
I applaud the enlightened attitude of finally approaching museums with regards to preservation of this type and can only hope that this rumour regarding East Midlands is correct.
I for one look forward to any confirmation !
Recent publication
Haven’t got this myself, but could be of interest is this title:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brabazon-Committee-Airliners-1945-1960/dp/0752443747
Looks like it may offer some insights.
Regards
I don’t believe there is a single repository for AWA :(. Some went to Woodford on closure, mainly that relating to the Argosy I understand. Some was skipped and retreived into private hands 😮
I know the Midland Air Museum has some material, but as to what I’m none too sure.
Sadly the saving of historic material was not uppermost in peoples minds back in 1965, and even today it can be hit and miss !
XP757?
Nope its the rear end of XR751.
Sadly many years of outside display in Cornwall (mmhhh lovely and salty) plus the fact its wing were originally cut off inboard of the undercart means the only bit saveable was the cockpit, which is now having lots of autosol applied to make it nice and shiny!
See I knew you would know more about it than me !
Apologies for identifying your property as potentially being available, I had though it was the museums. 😮
However its about time you did something with it – its been there years !:diablo:
Cheers
Metalwork repairs are required on the rear fuselage to repair flare damage and a tailcone assembly is also required.
It maybe worth contacting the Midland Air museum, there was a spare tailcone sat behind the Hunter there. It was damaged but maybe repairable, I’m sure XF382 will comment further if he picks up this thread.