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  • in reply to: Two T-33 Cockpits. Worth Saving?(2007 Zombie) #1118030
    Jagx204
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    :confused:i wonder if these mysteres a t33 are covered by the american lease scheme??
    due to them being payed for by the yanks??…ie, will they let them go into private hands ????

    All the Mysteres, T-33’s and F100’s are loaned via the USAF Museum at Dayton as they were all MDAP funded by the USA in the 50’s and hence returned to their ownership at the end of their active life.
    At the time of their return through Sculthorpe, many of the fledgling collections in the UK were able to take advantage of this loan arrangement and it provided a boost for quite a few collections in their early days.

    This arrangement in the post 9/11 era is one the US no longer actively supports hence as colections fold or no longer declare an interest in a particular airframe from this cache they are being retrieved and scrapped to avoid any possible ‘terrorist threat’ :rolleyes: Its entirely unlikely that any will be held by private individuals even as cockpit sections – too much paperwork for the Americans I suspect.

    in reply to: Nimrod retirement today – please add pictures #1133533
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Why is that? Something wrong with XV246?

    I believe its costs, ZJ517 (PA-03) already exists and has now flown into storage with the other two pre prod aircraft at Woodford. Its cheaper to update this to full production std, than complete ZJ525 (PA-12).

    in reply to: Nimrod retirement today – please add pictures #1133550
    Jagx204
    Participant

    BTW, does anyone have a list of which airframes are still current, which ones have become 4s, and which ones are getting preserved and scrapped?

    The ones which were at Kinloss at the end were:
    XV226
    XV229
    XV231
    XV232
    XV235
    XV241
    XV244
    XV250
    XV252
    XV254
    XV255
    XV260

    Of these, some were already undergoing spares recovery before the end of operations (XV248 had already been broken up)

    Those identified for MR4 conversion were:
    XV227 To ZJ521
    XV228 To ZJ523
    XV233 To ZJ520
    XV234 To ZJ518
    XV242 To ZJ517
    XV243 To ZJ524
    XV245 To ZJ522
    XV246 To ZJ525
    XV247 To ZJ516
    XV251 To ZJ514
    XV258 To ZJ515
    XZ284 To ZJ519

    Of these ZJ525(XV246) has been cancelled on the line to be replaced by the reworking of pre-production ZJ518

    Ones in preservation (currently)
    XV240 at Kinloss (complete)
    XV259 (C) Carlise Museum
    XW666 (C) Aeroventure Museum Doncaster
    XV248 (F) due to Highland Museum Inverness
    XV250 due to YAM Elvington

    in reply to: Stolen bomber crashes 1955 #1135335
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Crashed on night Monday April 25th 1955/ Tuesday April 26th 1955

    WF426 of 2ANS

    The W/O date on UK Serials is wrong for this. And the correct date is 26th April as it ‘crashed after midnight’

    Entry duly ammended on the site -suspect a ‘2’ was missed when the entry was typed into the database, now changed to reflect the 26th.

    in reply to: Coventry Airport/ Museum future thread #1143428
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Well it appears as follows after today’s meeting with Sir Peter Rigby:

    Main entrance will be moving up to Rowley Road, which is currently the entrance for the Tower and the Airpark. Whereas the Museum, Locomotive park and rugby club will be redeveloped to include a new science park.

    Moggy

    Well thats pretty much the 1994 plan as described in my post above, which has had the cobwebs blown off it !

    I think my statement stands as is.

    in reply to: Coventry Airport/ Museum future thread #1143549
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Museums View

    Having spent the afternoon with the Museum Chairman I now have a far better understanding of the situation and it is far removed from the doomsday scenario possibly suggested.

    Back in 1994 a planning proposal was submitted which effectively re-zoned the land occupied by the Museum, the Rugby club and the Railway collection as ‘contaminated greenbelt’ and therefore suitable for development (a possible science park was mooted at the time), more crucially it included a new ‘northern entrance’ to the Airfield thus removing traffic from Baginton village. The proposed site for this entrance was within the boundary of the Rugby club and nowhere near the existing ‘pope road’ which boundaries the museum and currently provides access to the ATC tower and fire services. This was dealt with by the museum at the time and eventually became a forgotten plan in a drawer within the Council; it certainly has not affected the development of the Museum in the meantime or been an inhibitor to any discussions on the Museums future.

    As part of the current discussions regarding the Airfield’s future operation it appears this plan has been dusted off, crucially the part regarding the installation of a new entrance off Rowley Rd, presumably as a way of appeasing the nimby’s within the Village who are determined the airfield stays shut. There are no current or proposed plans regarding the other aspects of this scheme at present.

    As a totally separate exercise the museum has been in negotiation with the Council regarding the renewal of the current lease for a further 30 years, over the past several months. These are at an advanced stage and at no time has the existence of the longstanding proposal above been viewed as a roadblock to this being successfully concluded. An agreement in principal was reached before the Museum committed its hard earned funds to the erection of the new education / lecture room, this perhaps sheds some light on how likely any development activity utilising this proposal is.

    The Museum is to seek clarification as a result of this latest development, but its not viewed as an imminent or clear danger to the collection at this time.

    It is however worth pointing out that no one and no collection is immune from the possibility of a local council coming and compulsory purchasing the land you occupy. In that unlikely event the Museum is well prepared to discuss how they intend to support the moving of a Nationally accredited, Regionally significant, Heritage collection with strong local community ties providing jobs and work placements, and links to several higher education establishments, recognised as a leader in its field. A bunch of old aeroplanes in a field it ain’t!

    in reply to: Coventry Airport/ Museum future thread #1143917
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Perhaps shouldn’t be too pessimistic – “every cloud” and all that.

    Although a move would involve a lot it could be that the MAM will come out of it “smelling of roses” again.

    Roger Smith.

    Sorry Roger I do not see anything positive in what is currently reported. Unless the council / new owners are prepared to fund the moving of the entire museum infrastructure, including providing new buildings, then this is very bad news indeed.
    Bizzarely the Museum has just completed the installation of a brand new lecture room / education centre out of museum funds (a not insignificant investment of several tens of thousands of pounds) and at no point during the planning process was anything relating to the current reported ‘developments’ even raised by the council…..

    in reply to: Coventry Airport/ Museum future thread #1143994
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Moggy I assume its taken from the posts on pprune

    Its a truly worrying development and a potential bombshell.

    http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/204900-coventry-97.html

    I’m going to drop into the Museum after work now to see what they do (or do not) know!
    There is currently a meeting of tenants being held at the Airport with a museum representative in attendance.

    in reply to: Would you buy a used airframe from these guys? #1103502
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Not yet another reason to make the looooong journey to Millom is it ???? 😮

    in reply to: Very Very Strong rumours East Mids Aeropark is to get a… #1107126
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Nimrod offered to Museums

    I understand that at least one Nmrod (serial no XV252) has been offerred to a number of museums over the past couple of months, through direct contacts from Kinloss.
    This included the RAFM at Cosford (although it would have to fly into Shawbury in that instance and move by road)
    This particular airframe needs a major post christmas, so the stipulation was to fly in before then.

    I applaud the enlightened attitude of finally approaching museums with regards to preservation of this type and can only hope that this rumour regarding East Midlands is correct.

    I for one look forward to any confirmation !

    in reply to: Is There An Armstrong Whitworth Archive?? #1108488
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Recent publication

    Haven’t got this myself, but could be of interest is this title:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brabazon-Committee-Airliners-1945-1960/dp/0752443747

    Looks like it may offer some insights.

    Regards

    in reply to: Is There An Armstrong Whitworth Archive?? #1111149
    Jagx204
    Participant

    I don’t believe there is a single repository for AWA :(. Some went to Woodford on closure, mainly that relating to the Argosy I understand. Some was skipped and retreived into private hands 😮
    I know the Midland Air Museum has some material, but as to what I’m none too sure.
    Sadly the saving of historic material was not uppermost in peoples minds back in 1965, and even today it can be hit and miss !

    in reply to: Seen On Ebay Thread #1114605
    Jagx204
    Participant

    XP757?

    Nope its the rear end of XR751.
    Sadly many years of outside display in Cornwall (mmhhh lovely and salty) plus the fact its wing were originally cut off inboard of the undercart means the only bit saveable was the cockpit, which is now having lots of autosol applied to make it nice and shiny!

    in reply to: North Luffenham Hunter Museum Bound #1119831
    Jagx204
    Participant

    See I knew you would know more about it than me !

    Apologies for identifying your property as potentially being available, I had though it was the museums. 😮

    However its about time you did something with it – its been there years !:diablo:

    Cheers

    in reply to: North Luffenham Hunter Museum Bound #1121457
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Metalwork repairs are required on the rear fuselage to repair flare damage and a tailcone assembly is also required.

    It maybe worth contacting the Midland Air museum, there was a spare tailcone sat behind the Hunter there. It was damaged but maybe repairable, I’m sure XF382 will comment further if he picks up this thread.

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