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  • in reply to: MAM Phantom to be scrapped? #854603
    Jagx204
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    All, can we just remind ourselves. At no point has the Midland Air Museum indicated its doing anything different with this aircraft.
    This entire thread began as a result of an unsubstantiated and non attributed RUMOUR !

    Can I start a thread suggesting that the FAAM are going to scrap Concord 001 as its a non naval aircraft? Has about the same amount of basis in fact as this one……………..

    in reply to: MAM Phantom to be scrapped? #855019
    Jagx204
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    Ok, lets use the ex Hemswell Mystere as an example, or the two frames currently awaiting disposal at Headcorn, or slightly older the ex WAM F100 and T33. Also there is an OH58 declared surplus from Shrivenham currently sat at Molesworth.

    My understanding is that anything identified as no longer required by any museum (other than a national) probably has only one fate. There is no mechanism to move them onto other non national collections ( hence BWCM’s current frustrations with the situation)

    in reply to: MAM Phantom to be scrapped? #855035
    Jagx204
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    Bruce, I do not disagree that the Museum never planned to have two F4’s on its books. When the USAF started their drawdown in the early 90’s a number of airframes suddenly became potentially available to go on USAFM loan. The F4 in question was offered to the MAM and was accepted at the time, even with some fairly big reservations regarding condition, as it was believed to be the only one available.
    I and some others then spent a number of weekends travelling from the Midlands to Woodbridge, to work on the aircraft in a HAS. I would say we were 80% of the way through dismantling, when I had the call at work from the BDRT team we were liaising with. We were effectively given 48hrs to arrange to move it otherwise it would be scrapped as the base wanted to close down the HAS complex it was situated in. I therefore agreed with the BDRT team a plan to cut the wing off in such a way that would give a fighting chance of re-attaching at a later date, which they duly carried out. We subsequently moved it in this condition within a few days.
    Whilst a plan was still being hatched to re-assemble the airframe, we had news that the ‘Mig Killer from UH was available for us to take on. This had always been the ‘primary target’ but it had been suggested previously that this was to be retained within USAFE due to its history. We agreed to the loan of this second F4 only if we could move it whole (wings attached) Thankfully we were able to achieve a plan to carry this out, with co-operation from various agencies and assistance from the USAF at Upper Heyford with loading. This duly arrived early one Sunday Morning after an interesting journey up the M40, taking up 2 lanes and the hard shoulder!

    Hence we had 2 F4’s on site. The ‘spares ship’ has subsequently been used to provide parts for the display aircraft, along with the second F4 at Heyford, which was scrapped by the USAF.
    As always the story is never as clear cut as we would like. As has been indicated above and in other threads, the arrangements for USAFM aircraft has since become more problematic. The Museum has NOT declared any intention to change the status of the second airframe and frankly the higher profile this subject is made the more there is the possibility of a far more destructive outcome be the end result. Anyone remember the F14’s sat at Chino ????

    in reply to: MAM Phantom to be scrapped? #855191
    Jagx204
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    Firstly, I must confirm I’m no longer actively involve with the MAM, so my comments are my own.

    Bravo24 – your comments are at best grossly unfair. The museum is entirely Volunteer run and relies solely on gate receipts to operate. The skills base is therefore based on whom is available to work on the aircraft from within the membership. Clearly with limited resource you have to deploy who you have to maximum effect. As you are volunteering your services, I suggest you get in touch with the museum where they can use the additional skills to best advantage. I can assure you that the F4 on display has had a lot more work done to it than ‘just a repaint’

    minimans – show me a museum that does not have airframes that are in store and awaiting work on them, been to the RAF Stafford store recently ?

    To keep up to date with the good work that the volunteers do here can I suggest you take a look at:

    http://www.midlandairmuseum.co.uk/news.php

    in reply to: MAM Phantom to be scrapped? #855582
    Jagx204
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    I would be interested in the source of this ‘rumour’
    As one of those involved in its original move, I would say it was not in the best condition when obtained as it had been heavily used for BDRT.This included huge holes blown through the wings, taking out the top and bottom skins and middle spar.
    It was always listed as for spares once the Mig killer was secured from Upper Heyford.

    As with every other Museum in the UK most ex USAF airframes are on long term loan through the USAFM.

    in reply to: Does anyone know this Dutch Harvard? #892803
    Jagx204
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    If you look on sister site Demobbed.org.uk, you will find its listed at Maasbracht:

    http://www.demobbed.org.uk/locations.php?location=1825

    Last noted date was 04/2012

    in reply to: Last Flight of ETPS Beagle Basset #903475
    Jagx204
    Participant

    The one mentioned in post #10 and pictured in post #36 is with the Midland Air Museum at Coventry. The fuse (as pictured) is now in storage, the wings are under tarps under the Vulcan at present.

    in reply to: Leeming Javelin moving to Jet Age Museum (Hooray!) #876035
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Whilst the decision by the MOD to suddenly open up the tender process to a wider audience is to be applauded, in part I suspect as a result of recent Auction prices achieved elsewhere, reading through the attached documentation is likely to put a few prospective interested parties off.
    ‘Risk assessments’ method statements and declarations on haz chem disposals will make this a task outside the scope of any number of volunteer run organisations I suspect.
    Thankfully I was involved in the dismantling and transport of a Javelin back in pre ‘risk averse’ times. It was a) successful and b) we all survived the experience without bits of paper saying we would be OK!

    Jagx204
    Participant

    The parts not installed in my pictures are sourced, but had yet to be fitted at the time of my visit. This included the air intakes, rudder and numerous smaller items.

    Jagx204
    Participant

    May 2014 UPDATE

    Popped into the Museum yesterday after work, as it had been discussed on my last visit that re-assembly was imminent. This is what greeted me:

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    After a day of hard work on Tuesday, by the Museum Volunteers and an ex Tornado rigger it looks like a warbird again.

    Its unfortunate that despite the best efforts of the museum to correct before print, the latest W&R has decreed this is a ‘gutted fuselage’ – think the pics tell a different story.

    in reply to: New arrival at the Midland Air Museum – Tornado ZA452 #956381
    Jagx204
    Participant

    An update on this project in the local paper, posted a couple of weeks ago.

    http:// http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/biggest-airfix-ever-midland-air-6705933

    in reply to: Avro Shackleton WR963 Project Thread #931255
    Jagx204
    Participant

    Hi all,

    The FI is yet to be calculated, as we have to find the calculation for the upper spar booms – a calculation that was taken from that for the AWA 650 Argosy Series 101, due to the Argosy’s wing starting life as the Avro Type 733 (If anyone has the Argosy FI calculations, I’d love to see them).

    Rich W
    SPT

    It would be worth talking to the Midland Air Museum – just up the road! I remember some years back when I was an active member they received a whole stack of paperwork on the Argosy, relating to stress calcs, and possibly Fatigue. I’m not sure if it was passed onto the Herbert Museum, but Barry James will know.

    in reply to: Yanks Museum – Chino aircraft ID required #937317
    Jagx204
    Participant

    It’s Hunter T7 XL576

    Regards

    in reply to: Harrier, Tornado,Phantom, helicopter sales at Hixon #959062
    Jagx204
    Participant

    I had a report to me this morning of two ex AAC Lynx cabs seen road running through Kirkham in Lancashire, probably ex Hixon auction. No further details as my mate was following a few cars back.

    in reply to: Jet Provost site #983281
    Jagx204
    Participant

    From Mick: “Just doing some refurbishment on the site, will be on line next week”.

    HTH

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