Possibly a missunderstanding here.
Using a makers plate on a car to change it’s identity is known as ringing and is illegal.
The process in the aviation world is called restoration. It basically means that you build a new aeroplane using a few small original components, and call it the restored original.
It’s a process that gets many aeroplanes back in the air and without it airshows would be much much duller, but as it isn’t used to change identities or sell aeroplanes as something they’re not, it isn’t a problem, and isn’t seen as illegal.
Willow
I didn’t realise that the Mossie was no longer airworthy. It’s often hard to tell with ‘airworthy’ aeroplanes that haven’t flown for a while.
Having just been to the Champlin Fighter Museum in Arizona, it is interesting to speculate on how many aeroplanes there can actually be flown.
They all look in excelent condition and all have been flown in their current form, but how much time would it take to get them to fly now. There must be certain work carried out to preserve items which would sieze or perish on a flyer that is parked for several years. Engine inhibiting springs to mind.
So are they airworthy or not? (whichever, they’re still very nice).
Actually, does anyone out there know when any of them did last fly, particularly things like the Spitfire and P47?
Willow
Good point Moggy. Best not to ask.
I think the main problem comes when you start to question which mag is inadequate.
So we won’t do that, will we !!
Willow
I thought I might get away with that one as I was being critical of ‘the other mag’ for not sponsoring Sally B!
Willow
Hey Moggy,
if your going to use ‘Aerodrome’, you should use ‘Aeroplane’ instead of ‘Aircraft’.
‘Aircraft’ includes helicopters, microlights, gliders, and Balloons.
Still, it’s better than ‘plane’.
Willow
That would be fine if Sally Bs money problems had gone away.
Somehow I doubt that they have!!
It would be fair, however, for another sponsor to step in.
How about AEROPLANE MONTHLY?
Willow
Good question.
To my mind, an Airport has commercial traffic, an Airstrip is grass only (i.e. no hard runway), and an Airfield is everything else. An Aerodrome is a 1930’s term for any of the above.
Of course, Airfield actually covers any of the above as well but Heathrow Airfield doesn’t sound right. Neither does Old Warden Airfield.
Hmmmm
In the USA, they have International Airports (IAP), Municipal Airports (MAP), and Regional Airports (RAP), so you can take your choice.
Then you have the military which is generally either Air Force Base (AFB) or Naval Air Station (NAS).
We, of course, refer to military bases by their operator or owner, such as RAF Coltishall or RNAS Culdrose. The latter is also known as HMS Seahawk (or is it HMS Gannet?).
Mildenhall and Lakenheath, although used by the USAF, use the British system and as they are owned by the MOD and are still known as ‘RAF’.
In general, all Military bases are known as Airfields.
Brain hurts now.
Must go before it melts
Bye
Willow
Moggy,
Shorely, a makers plate built into a new aircraft is better than no aircraft at all.
Even the BBMF Lancaster was stored outside for a few years at one stage. Their MkII Spitfire was sold to a scrap merchant who realised it’s importance and donated it back to the RAF.
Most historic aircraft flying today have been derelict or static at some stage.
Willow
I also started a thread along these lines which has since vanished.
Is this a free world or not?
Willow
If the only person in the world who is prepared to pay to keep a Sunderland airworthy happens to live in Florida, then so be it.
At least with KW the Sunderland has a chance of flying again. There just isn’t the money availible in this country (or the weather) to maintain such a large aircraft.
Look at the trouble they have had raising the cash to keep Sally B flying, and a fair percentage of the population knows what ‘Memphis Belle’ is/was.
If the Sunderland had remained in the UK, it would probably be stuck on an airfield somewhere rotting away.
Kermit Weeks is OK by me. Having met him at Polk City, his enthusiasm for aviation is overpowering.
Willow
If your policy of not displaying aircraft outdoors had been applied in full for years, all of the ex-gate guardian Spitfires which are now airworthy would have been scrapped years ago.
Unlike cancer, corrosion and rust can be repaired. Man built it, man can rebuild it. Given enough time and money.
Willow
Moggy, a quick question.
Do you actually like historic aeroplanes?
I’m beginning to wonder.
Willow
The point I am making is in reply to Moggys comment about there already being a Lincoln on display at Cosford so why do we need another. I was citing an example of another famous type with very little actual combat history. Yet no-one says that because there is already a Vulcan we do not need another.
It is selfish to think along these lines. I disagree for the following reasons….
i) Not everyone lives within easy reach of any 1 particular museum.
ii) Each aircraft (especially in the case of this Lincoln) has it’s own story to tell.
iii) People whose friends or family were killed flying in Lincolns would, I’m sure, claim it to be an important type.
and finally…..
iv) If, heaven forbid, the aircraft at Cosford was lost in an accident, there would be none in the UK.
And don’t say it can’t happen. Look at the aircraft that were lost in the hangar fires at Paris and at CWH at Hamilton.
A better example may have been that there is a very well preserved Shackelton in Manchester. Does that mean that there is no need to preserve another?
I’m sure museums such as Newark would love to have the Lincoln, if only because it provides a close link to the Lancaster.
Maybe if the owners could be contacted, they would be prepared to swap it for another airframe, or something else (money)?
Willow
Thanks for the update on the Comet 1. Shame it will never be complete, but at least it’s ‘safe’.
What you guys have always needed is a decent hangar.
Willow
If it was to go, would the wings and tail feathers be of any use to the Mosquito Air Museum at Salisbury Hall. They have a Comet 1 fuselage on display. Theres probably some differences, but it would make it into a complete aeroplane.
Willow