Galdri,
I can’t speak as to Europe, but in American formation certification is not airplane specific. Once you’re certified in a T-6, T-28 or Mustang you’re approved to fly formation in waivered airspace (airshows) in any aircraft. The standard is designed this way.
Saying that, formation aerobatics are quite another thing. Every warbird pilot has probably flown in formation at a show with other pilots he only met at briefing. It’s no problem as long as everyone is professional and on their game.
When you start talking about formation aerobatics you’re talking about a full time job, requiring weeks or even months of practice before the airshow season begins. Guys don’t just get together once a month and go out to do loops and rolls with a 4 ship in fingertip. It’s expensive and time consuming for little reward and few sponsorship dollars.
The only warbird formation aerobatic team I can think of in the US at the moment is the Aeroshell T-6 team. These guys are crop duster buddies and VERY good sticks. But I can’t think of anyone at Oshkosh last year that did acro with WW2 fighters. The Stoli MiGs were good, but they lost their sponsor.
Sounds like the Breitling Fighters were a great show. Just won’t be the same with the Breitling L-39s (but it will cost Breitling a lot less money).
Steve Patterson
Originally posted by SteveYoung
The only thing I can add to the responses above, is that on or around the 13th of August 1982, Bob Stanford Tuck was present at RAF Manston again, this time as the Reviewing Officer for the final parade at our Air Training Corps camp that year.He was ushered along the front rank of cadets by Flt Lt Jones RAFVR(T), occasionally stopping to speak to some of the youngsters and ask them where they were from, how much they had enjoyed their stay at Manston, etc.
I’m delighted to say that, as the smallest and youngest at the time, I was lucky enough to be one of those that he spoke to. I can’t remember what he said, but I’ll never forget the first (and so far, only) time I met one of The Few.
Thanks for sharing that wonderful story.
Steve
Originally posted by Bruggen 130
The few.
Pure Gold. Thanks for posting this, as I had never seen it before.
Re: Just saw a B-29 Land!!!!
Originally posted by BlueNoser352
… for $750 dollars , one can take a thirty minute flight in the P-51. I am so tempted to take a spin in that Mustang!!!!!
BlueNoser352!
$750 for a 30 minute flight in the Mustang is a good deal. Crazy Horse is $1950 for a 30 minute and $2750 for the hour long “orientation” flight. Training and checkout are just over $3K/hr, so I would say this is a very good deal.
See if the plane has a stick in the jump seat, he may let you do some flying at altitude. The only thing better than riding in a Mustang is getting to fly one.
Be careful, you may have to have one after the ride. 😀
Steve Patterson
Wow, a dual control Spit for rent. Only in America!:D
With the US Dollar in the tank I’m surprised you Brits haven’t started queuing up for this.
I only recently learned of this movie. How would you rate it?
BoB:)
PoC:cool:
or
633 Squadron:(
On a different note, I for one think the Sea Fury Mk. 11 looks better with the original canopy (and the armour plate backrest) than with the new longer canopy that is used with the jump seat setup. I’ve heard other Americans say that the plane looks more “balanced” with the longer canopy, but I think Hawker got it right the first time.
As for the jump seat debate, well I wish there were more 2 seat Spitfires in the world. The Mustang I got to fly was a D model, not the TF-51 with a complete cockpit setup, but who cares when you’re doing acro in a vintage warbird. The jump seat in the Mustang did have a stick and rudders, plus airspeed and alt., so it was better than the Sea Fury in that respect. I’ve talked to Nelson Ezell about doing the same thing in the jump seat of the Fury, but I guess there’s some problem.
I think I would feel safer in a Sea Fury with a jump seat than a Corsair thanks to that bubble canopy (MexicanBob, insert comments and experiences in the Corsair here please).
And finally, speaking of jump seats, does anyone know about the two seat Spit that’s based in Aspen, Colorado? Seems I saw an advert in Trade-A-Plane that 1/2 of it was for sale a few months back. I wonder if the owner sells rides like Lee Lauderback with “Crazy Horse”?
Steve
Looks like a cross between Bob Hoover’s “Ole Yeller” and a John Deere tractor…
Somebody shoot the poor beast and put it out of it’s misery:)
I talked to Dennis a few months back, and I thought that’s what he told me. I’ll find out tomorrow, unless someone else posts first. What I definately recall is that this airplane is going to be down for some time.
What’s the story with Magnificant Obsession? I don’t know the plane or owner, but isn’t this Sea Fury static in a museum now?
Thanks for any info.
Steve
It’s enough to make you weap…
😀
Re: Photo hacker
Originally posted by setter
I notice a few of you are a little miffed with Aussies at present – Sorry about that, I hope we are not all tarred with the same brush.
I love Australia, and have visited before. It’s just like America with an accent. 🙂
Seriously, All the Australians I have ever met (with one exception) have been wonderful people.
Welcome!
Steve Patterson
Proud member of the “I have no idea what the Enigma 12 are” club.
Here’s a photo of the jump seat on “Southern Cross”
Originally posted by Chad Veich
Let’s not forget John Macguire’s “Magnificent Obsession” and the Sanders T-20 which is well on its way back to flying status. I had the pleasure of watching Mr. Getchell perform in his Fury this past weekend and it was fantastic. It has been many years since I’ve heard the unique sound of a Centaurus so it was quite welcome.
I was under the impression that the Sanders T Mk. 20 was also having the Wright 3350 conversion. Don’t quote me on this, but that’s what I’d heard.
I know that Gary Austin at Retro Aviation in Memphis is putting a 3350 in Gary Peeler’s Sea Fury (after the Centaurus went south).
I truly believe after talking with other Sea Fury owners and mechanics that the only issue is parts availability for the Centaurus. Of course, 3350 parts are starting to be a problem as well.
As for the back armour plate, you have to remove it if you want a jump seat (something that is very desirable). There is an added risk (just like in the Mustang or any other warbird), but most feel it is a managable risk. Charlie Hilliard should still be here today, but that’s another story.
Also, the comments about flying characteristics today vs. being “bombed and gunned” up are absolutely true. These things are feathers compared to all the titwank (my new word) they used to carry around. Sea Fury today usually fly under 10,000lbs. Wartime, try 12,500lbs.
Originally posted by Snapper
Titwank is legal? Cool!Titwank titwank titwank.
Is titwank some sort of British soft drink?:)
Originally posted by turbo_NZ
My all time favourite has to be the “six turnin’ an’ four burnin'” machine built by Convair 😀
A bomber? No, you can’t be serious. You’re ALL TIME FAVORITE is a bomber?
OK, I’ll grant you it’s very cool to check the engine oil by walking in the wing. But a bomber?
I need some air.:)
Steve