Also you do realise you’re now supporting the same Nationalist forces who according to you the PLA would smash!
PLA and Nationalists are all Chinese who speak Chinese. In the end, whoever wins is enemy of America. There cannot be two tigers on the same mountain. :p
Taiwan’s best bet is to use assymetric warfare because they’ll lose at conventional one for obvious reasons.
china has more muslims than syria so Taiwan’s best bet is to indoctrinate them somehow and the chinese government will be at war forever, especially as other muslim countries and organizations pick up their cause.
China’s Muslims are stuck in the northwest. They are also visible minorities and cannot easily infiltrate Han areas. Taiwanese forces cannot fight a guerilla warfare because the Chinese navy and air force and air defense would blockade Taiwan preventing foreign arms from reaching Taiwan. Once the Taiwanese Communist party gets installed it’s over.
Only 4% of Chinese are Muslims according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-American_relations
Also, Chinese Muslims would be easy prey for Chinese army WZ-10 attack helicopters which are superior to American AH-1Z if they do insurrection.



Running a war economy doesn’t just require oil for military purposes.
You still have to feed 1 billion people and you still need to run the industries critical to both basic human life as well as military production.
After all without key resources your factories stop working and then attrition means you start running out of things.
Japan was not able to beat China after fighting for nearly 10 years and incurring a loss of at least nearly 500,000 soldiers. It would be foolish to believe America can beat China in a war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War
@thobbe
During peacetime, civilians are allowed to use lots of oil. During wartime, civilians are only allowed using their legs and bikes to conserve oil. China’s oil production is sufficient for military uses. Besides, plants can be turned into ethanol as a substitute of oil.
HQ-9 and HT-233 air defense combo has an engagement range of 200 km, that’s more than the Taiwan strait’s 180 km width, bringing much of Taiwan under SAM umbrella.
And anything that comes in via ship is SSN meat.
Frigates are natural killers of SSN. Chinese navy Type 054A frigates can hunt down US navy SSN. The US navy has 10 Virginia class and 3 Seawolf class. The Chinese navy has 16 Type 054A.


The best option for China seems to be to quickly sieze Taiwan. This not only allows maximum numerical supremacy to brought against Taiwan but also the US may opt to stay out as Taiwan is technically a province of China.
This would mean no pre-emptive strike on Japan or US forces in Pacific.
In the long term, what are China’s war reserves in terms of oil and other key resources?
Of course, the shorter the war, the better. Nevertheless, Taiwan is in China’s backyard, which means China can afford a war as long as it wants to take over Taiwan. China’s oil and other resources are virtually unlimited. Also, China’s allies such as Russia and Iran can supply resources if need be. Don’t forget this year China puts its first nuke powered rover on a celestial body, cementing China’s status as a tier 1 technological superpower by December 2013.
Could someone just change the name of the topic? Like “Waging Comedy in North Asia in 2013”?
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Agreed. In 2013 the PLAAF gets J-10B, which can kill F-22, even though J-10B might not achieve IOC till 2014.
Lockheed Martin claims the F-22 war jet has an RCS the size of a metal marble. This is highly doubtful. Even the CIA makes absolutely stupid erroneous claims regarding countries water territory, let alone what Lockheed Martin claims. The following are from the CIA World Factbook. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
North Korea water territory: 130 sq km
South Korea water territory: 2,800 sq km
China water territory: 27,060 sq km
India water territory: 314,070 sq km
Iran water territory: 116,600 sq km
With eyes and a simple world map, it can be proven that CIA information is bull. CIA is bull implies Lockheed Martin is bull. Therefore, I have mathematically proven that F-22’s RCS does not equal that of a metal marble. :applause: :eagerness:
An interesting IR view of F-22. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58N6Plr17GU
J-10B has a huge IRST, bigger than that on F-16E Block 60. Should be able to pick up an F-22’s IR. Note that IR radiation is heat transforming into radiation, not electro magnetic radiation such as light and radio waves reflecting off F-22 which is how eyes and radars can see F-22.
F-22 is one b@d boy. :applause: :eagerness: One of the baddest out there. No fighter pilot would love to tangle with a Raptor. Period.



I have heard this radar can track F-22’s training over alaska all the way from Mainland China..Can you confirm this?
As a matter of fact, if you can see an F-22 war jet, a radar can see it because radio wave is electro magnetic wave same as light. Black color absorbs electro magnetic radiation and converts radiation into heat through the Law of Conservation of Energy, which is why on a sunny day a black stuff is much hotter than a white stuff of the same shape and composition. F-22 is not black colored like F-117 and B-2, so it is doubtful it can absorb a lot of radio waves.
America’s debt problem now nearly 17 trillion bucks means it can’t fight another war for a LONG time. Now nearly 50 million Americans in poverty and on food stamps. Actual unemployment now over 14%. China is over 9.5 million square kilometers. America has never fought a country the size of China, and most likely never will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-American_relations
J-10B’s AESA radar. This is a beast that can detect and track F-22 stealthy war jet at long ranges.

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F-22 versus J-10B. F-22 advantages in supercruise, TVC, inner weapons bays. J-10B advantages in DSI which hides engine blades, IRST, canards for better maneuverability. Overall, it’s a toss up which can best the other mano y mano. However, Chinese air force has KJ-2000 AWAC which has 3 AESA, whereas American air force has no AESA AWAC. Overall, it is likely Chinese air force would come on top, assuming the US air base in Guam doesn’t get neutralized by 2,500 km ranged Mach 2.5 Long Sword cruise missiles.
KJ-2000 AWAC



Long Sword cruise missile, killer of air bases


Oh wow, please tell the beautiful people more about it all. This is what makes the forum such a pathetic place, morons with nothing better to do… get a job, a girlfriend, you lot might actually wake up.
In the meantime. A few moments on here is a waste, back to having a life, I’m very much enjoying it!
Riddance!
Can’t argue so you resort to insult. Consider myself unimpressed. :rolleyes:
Like it or not, F-22 cannot beat J-10B. J-10B has everything F-22 has, namely reduced RCS, AESA, helmet sight, MAWS, holographic HUD etc. and has things F-22 does not have, namely DSI and IRST. J-10B is delivered later this year. Even in 2014 the US air force cannot fight the PLA air force in the Taiwan strait, let alone 2025. F-22 and B-2 cannot get near Chinese shores due to HQ-9 and HT-233 combo which has an engagement range of 200 km and J-10B. US naval vessels cannot get near Chinese shores due to Type 052D destroyer which is commissioned later this year and Type 054A frigate and Type 041 SSK. J-10B is superior to F-16E Block 60 and Type 052D is superior to Arleigh Burke. America cannot even do anything about Syria, let alone about a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Congress would never give authorization which means the president only has 90 days to fight China. China, on the other hand, can wage a war as long as it wants to until Taiwan gets a regime change.





F-22 is stealthy but it’s not stealth. It reflects light which is why it is visible to the eye. Radio wave is light, therefore F-22 is not stealth to radar. J-10B has radar absorbing paint painted on its most reflective areas and has reduced RCS like F-22. J-10B has AESA and IRST which can detect and track F-22.