J-31 is low. J-20 is hi. This is true due to vast difference in engine size and power and aircraft size.

Russia should get a license to make the J-10B, and scrap the PAK-FA program.
After all, it is just not as advanced.

Russia never uses single engined ones. In terms of size, MiG-29, F-35, F-16, Rafale, J-10B, J-31, Typhoon are all in the same class, a step bigger than JF-17 and JAS-39 and Tejas.

Do you have any source of that ?

J-10 1001 back in 1997 looked exactly the same as production J-10A. It should be the case that J-20 2001 looks the same as production J-20A except for pitot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mpg9uMX8o

One of the first a/c to use this air intake was F-35,
and it was thus assumed by some that it was the defining feature of “5thgenTM/”stealth”TM/”highly advanced”TM/[insert attribute],
rather than as a cost reducing simplified air intake on a/c operating below ~M1.6

The first is JF-17. The second is likely J-10B if it goes operational before F-35’s 2017 induction time frame. The third is a toss up between J-20 and F-35, depending on which gets inducted first.

Simplicity and cost and weight reduction aside, DSI looks a heck of a lot better than the traditional separated air intake. Just look at J-10B compared to J-10A. In terms of looks, J-10B compared to J-10A is like 2014 Toyota Corolla compared to 1995 Toyota Corolla. :eagerness:

Do we have anything close to reliable numbers for J-10A’s produced???

wiki says 220 as of August last year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10

J-10B has a different body than J-10A. Cannot upgrade J-10A to J-10B standard, so I imagine all J-10A would be replaced by J-10B and eventually manufacture some 500 to 1,000 J-10B.

JF-17 from PT-04 onwards doesn’t use a pitot tube in the nose. It uses a distributed air data system comprising a number of sensors around the front fuselage.

Only JF-17 of PAF doesn’t have pitot. FC-1 has pitot.

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Pretty much what others have said,

J-20, J-31: No official data. Absolutely nothing is known about the RADAR, EW systems, EO/DAS, Any AN/ALR-94 like systems, and the list just goes on.

So right now, Rafale wins by default.

When will the J-20 enter service? Going by the F-22,

YF-22 1st flight – 1990
F-22 1st flight – 1997
F-22 IOC – 2005

Thats 15 long hard years. I don’t think well will see a fully powered (WS-15), fully capable J-20 until around 2025.

F-22 first flight 1997. IOC 2005. That’s 8 years. Not shabby. J-20 won’t take that long though. And what do you mean by no official data? We know J-20 and J-31 have phased array radar if not AESA. J-10B and Type 052D destroyer and KJ-2000 AWAC all have phased array radars if not AESA.

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