I don’t see how religion and crappy Iranian knock offs of 1970s technology has anything to do with Iraq.

Though for Iraq, AH-1 Cobra could be sufficient for internal duties.

But then you can get upgraded Cobras a lot more easily from Uncle Sam, including new build AH-1Z Vipers as used by USMC.

The last thing you want to be is being dependent on the Americans :rolleyes: Who knows, maybe one day soon the American people will start the American Spring 😎

Toufan II is more than adequate for Iraqi needs. In the next few years Toufan III could be an Apache like helicopter coming out of DIO 😀

Toufan II demonstrating its helmet slaved targeting http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Toufan-2.jpg

yes i agree. science and technology are fundamental.
what you dont understand is

iran is a theocracy. they value religion over science. so they rather spend more time on funding religion than science because science is usually the enemy of religion.

israel is a secular democracy. they value science and bargains. thus they are more willing to sponsor science.

thats why Israel can make these which are powered by the achievements of science

and why Iran makes these, which rely on the power of religion and faith to make airborne

Science and religion go hand in hand. Science cannot explain God. Many scientists are extremely religious. Einstein was deeply religious as were most of the biggest names during the Renaissance and Enlightenment.

Read up on Newton’s religious views http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_religious_views

Indeed, not long after religion was born tens of thousands of years ago, man created science in an attempt to explain God. Currently, physicists continue to search for the so called God particle.

Lavi was based on F-16. It wasn’t considered a new design. Don’t count the Qaher out just yet. China took about 20 years before making J-10 work. In the mean time, enjoy Iran’s hovercraft http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7y4yOFHSg

Iran’s new Zulfiqar 3 and Samsam (upgraded M-60A1) tanks are terrific http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvgvB0vO7Vk

Iran values theology over science. of course you’ll have graduate students if they go to theology schools.

case in point. Iran’s leader studied religion in college. israel’s leader studied architecture and political science at MIT.

most people consider religion a mickey mouse course.

Judaism is also a religion. Religion has nothing to do with engineering and weapons. No religion in the world denies the fact that science and technology are important for weapons and war. Also, action speaks louder than words. If Israel thinks it can make an air strike on Iran, then it is welcome to try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82tvtfgVqRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3llxzR0U4

if Iran is over 79 times bigger than Israel..
Israel is then 90x smarter than Iran. that simple.

racism much? :rolleyes:

Mi-28N is the 4th most capable attack helicopter in the world

Toufan maybe 20th, certainly behind the top light attack helicopters which are Tigre, Turkey Mongoose, and Super Cobra. and definitely far behind the heavy ones.

Toufan II may be not the best. That’s not the point. The point is it’s good enough for Iraq’s national defense. Don’t forget, it was Sadr’s Mahdi Army trained and armed by Iran that inflicted just about nearly one third casualty rate on the US forces in Iraq by the time the US forces were completely driven out of Iraq 😎

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBVJbCbrUPI

“Though in my opinion Iranian Toufan II is a better choice, more technologically advanced and less costly for maintenance.”

I loled.

“A little off topic but Iran’s new Zulfiqar 3 tank is reverse engineered from one of Iraq’s M1A1 tanks delivered to Iran.”

I loled even harder.

Iran is over 79 times the size of Israel and has nearly 10 times the population. Israel can make top notch weapons like Arrow and Greenpine, Merkava 4, Trophy, Lavi (based on F-16), Phalcon, well so can Iran 😎

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Industries_Organization

The point is all these countries will not stand with Iraq. for example when Iraq starting using those Mi-28s in Anbar province or against kurds. there will be reaction like in Syria. China does not have operational carrier or bases nearby to help Iraq in trouble. when dealing with RSAF or Turkish airforce. Iraki politicians are slowly realizing it.
http://en.aswataliraq.info/(S(2z1qgmriu4wtie55nsgougeq))/Default.aspx?page=article_page&c=slideshow&id=152830

Iran can send arms to Syria by planes. China can surely project air power to the Middle East. China has air bases in East Turkestan which is bigger than Iran and very close to Iran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang

won’t happen. If a “violent takeover” happens in Iraq it will be by the Army… and Ali Ghaidan / Othman Ghanimi and co are 100% in the “USA” camp… You didn’t think the americans were going to leave without leaving some “claymores” behind?

Sadr has his own army called the Mahdi army which is currently involved with Syria and he has his own political movement called the Sadrist movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadrist_Movement

The Mahdi army, using 500,000 soldiers, can surprise and defeat the Iraqi army. Mahdi soldiers are trained in Iran and they use Iranian weapons such as G3 and KH2002 and S.5’56 battle rifles, Nakhjir sniper rifles, Shaher and Arash anti material rifles, Misagh-2 MANPADs, Dehalvieh anti armor missiles etc. The Mahdi army is more powerful than the Iraqi army just as Hezbollah is more powerful than the Lebanese army.

Currently, the Maliki Shiite government is already allied with the Syrian Sunni government and enables Iran to deliver weapons and fighters to Syria by way of Iraq, and Americans can’t do a thing about it.

Back to the topic, I thought Iraq was ordering Mi-28 a few months ago. What happened to it? :confused:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/iraq-orders-mi-28-attack-helicopters-377547/

Iraq will certainly be “shifting” away from the US… but not by THAT much… not many people have a first hand experience of being on the “wrong side” of the USA as much as the Iraqis! They’ll try to make a balance by giving just enough political/economic “nuggets” to all the “power blocks” in the area…

If Sadr ousts Maliki and establishes an Islamic government in Iraq, you can bet Iraq will fully ally with Iran. Muslims are not afraid to die because they believe in afterlife. Americans cannot ever scare Muslims.