Oh, and Paul.
I saw a really, really, really nice Indian straight four combination the other week in Norfolk.
Totally original, unrestored and original but sadly not for sale. I couldn’t afford it anyway but my, my, it was a beauty.

Give it five years and you can probably add the CX500 to the list of expensive bikes. Oh and I never laugh at Hondas.
I like them very much–I still own a couple myself.

Soichiro Honda is a hero of mine.
Apparently, he used to give indolent or under performing designers a whack round the ear with a crankshaft if he was unhappy.

Try to close your mind to what your Brit collection would currently be worth.
The Comet and Venom in particular, because it’ll only depress you.

And one of these days when I’m bored, I’ll relate a couple of Pan stories relating to a certain Police force.
One features that ‘Weave’ very particularly.

Design needs to be practical, but appearance has a big part to play, for instance when the Jag E Type was launched it’s performance was something else, but the looks of the thing would probably have sold a fair number even if the car hadn’t been one of the best around.

Still looks good. Went well too but the early ones were dire–brakes, handling, comfort.

Paul.
Are you really sure you want an Indian like that?
I fear disapointment would follow.
Yes, as an exercise in making a rather unexciting side-valve V-twin made in Springfield, Massachusetts look different from another unexciting side-valve V-twin made in Milwaukee, Wisconsin the Indian, as a design works–I think that’s a scout (possibly) but the much more rare Indian inline fours are more interesting.
Now, as someone who works with, as well as volunteers with and rides motorbikes, there are a good many that I’d like to own. I have already owned a few too.
However, if much less than the top win in the blottery fell my way, I’d probably have one just like this….

Art and design come very close here–for all sorts of reasons.
(It’s also quick enough to scare me witless…:):):) )

For me the art should have a value in it’s own right irrespective of whether the painting or whatever was produced by pupil or teacher.

Good point, and I guess quite a percentage of modern art is for profit only.
Interestingly, in world war two Paris, Picasso used to trade the odd picture for food. He even burned a few for heat–highlighting how priorities can change when hunger comes knocking.
I bet there were a few Parisian bakers who retired south on the proceeds of a post war picture sale though..!!

Also interestingly and pulling the two halves of this thread together.
In something like Tornado, or The Medway Queen or my Honda VF1100 or a Brough Superior SS100, where does art & design exactly converge..?
Is all form in engineering for utility only, or does the artist contained in the designer show through??

So would I Andy but to save any further arguements shall we call it resurrected not restored!:D

Good idea.
Even though it’s ‘new build’ it’ll still look good.
Think of LNER Class A1 ‘Tornado’.

Funny You should mention the Medway Queen Jim I saw her last Thursday. She is little more than a data plate restoration though.

I agree that building a new hull for a boat is pretty much making a new ship, and there has been a lot of debate about the validity of doing it, but in the case of The Medway Queen, I’m rather enthusiastic.
I can’t wait to see it built and it seems to be going well.

Also, I’d like to see this restored too.

http://www.medwaymaritimetrust.org.uk/johnhamos/index.html

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I agree with that.
In a previous life I had to deal quite a bit with hospices and hospice staff.
Even after the death of a patient, they are very good indeed.

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