When people have no respect to intellectual property rights such ‘advances’ are easy. J 11 is an Su 27 rip off as are fighters before them. KJ 2000 is Israeli, so is the core design of the J 10.

Steady progress in replica making. :rolleyes:

yes, and the Su-30MKI, Arjun, etc are completely Indian

Simply because there is no suitable diesel or Gas turbine solution for powering carriers. Commercial marine diesel currently available are designed to run at only 16kts and are too massive in size.
Btw a carriers will always need boilers for fresh water. It makes sense to reduce redundancy.

hey banana, do more research on Chinese turbines before casting doubts.

to all the other naysayers. I’ll say it again. China is not building a revolutionary design. even if its a straight off copy of the Varyag, it could be done within the given time frame.

What we have is a double standard among posters here. India, which has no experience building carriers, is building one.. yet when China builds one, they can’t for some reason. China’s ship building industry is more robust and dynamic than that of India’s if not better than even South Korea.

China still depends on Russia for a lot of its hardware and pretty much everything developed by it is a reverse engineering or mod of original Russian equipment. while this allows them to escape the escalation issue that India is facing increasingly, it doens’t mean that they’ll never face it..China will still look to Russia to provide it advanced weaponry that it will copy and indigenise later. Of course, there will be more and more stuff that is developed completely within China, but don’t kid yourself that they are free of their dependence on Russia for advanced weaponry.

blatant bs.
people seem to think that China hasn’t progressed beyond the 1960’s. Its now 2008 in case you haven’t learned. China rarely orders anything new from Russia, and the things they do order, aren’t the most advanced.

Built in China products have steadily become on par, if not superior to their Russian counter parts. That is why China is building their own Type 99, not ordering T-90s, why it is building its own new ships rather than ordering new ones. Aircraft that once had Russian components are now or will be 100% Chinese.

The same can’t be true with India, which takes decades to even decide what it wants.

I believe the Chinese claim the new Carriers will support 36 Su-33’s…………

the new carriers will be using a new Chinese aircraft. Only 2 Su-33s were ordered.

plane for plane, the IAF has a numerical advantage. there is no doubt about this. It also has a larger number of airplanes that have better range. There is nothing in the PAF that can match the payload and range capabilities of the Su-30MKI.

But it doesn’t need to. In the event of an air war between the PAF and IAF, it is 99% likely that the PAF will be on the defensive and that it will be the IAF flying into PAF territories.

In this scenario, range is not as important, but readiness rate is.
the series of later model F-7s, will be advantageous here because range will no longer be a significant matter as the PAF will be on the defensive. these F-7s will have a higher operationability rate and can maintain a higher tempo than what the IAF can muster. All the F-7’s need to do is to force any IAF attacker to jettison its a2g ordinance, and it has done most of its job. Ground based SAMs and AAA can take care of the rest.

In the long run, the PAF can win a war of attrition, it is much cheaper to lose an F-7 than an Su-30, while losing a Mirage 2000 will be disastrous for the IAF because they cannot replace it.

Bisons are a non factor as they will be on the defensive, and its unlikely the PAF will start flying into Indian territory to cause a war.

In perhaps 5 years, the PAF will be receiving J-10s, which for the most part, will be superior to the Su-30MKI in all aspects except range.

Well, if China is in such a rush to build two Carriers and she could do so in only six years. Why has she not returned the ex-Varyag to service. Clearly, a much easier undertaking than two brand new ships.

I think i’ve told you before. China is not India.
They are not intent on following India’s path on rebuilding an old ship.

You can look at Korea or Japan’s mini carriers. Modest, but modern designs. What China will be building is something bigger but in the same veins.

How could the F7 PG have an availability rate of 85% while the Mig 21 Bison would get an availability rate of just 50%

It’s basically the same airframe!

Nic

the Bison is an new upgrade of an old airframe

the F7PG is a new air frame based on an old design. big difference.

I doubt we’ll see this in 2009. Just like last year when they said it’ll be out in 2008, they will push it. I say we’ll see it in 2010 when it’ll first fly. But I expect avionics problems and integration will delay mass production for another decade.

at the rate this is going, I’m quite certain China will get its own 5th generation fighter in service before the Russians. Russia may be ahead in building the airframe for its new fighter, but China is ahead in avionics.