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  • in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2269731
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    yes picture are enough. its fate will be worst among the wider fuselage aircraft. See A400M, A380, C-2, An-70, An-124 relaunch. All these aircraft has significant difficulty in keeping cost down and keep production number high per year with relatively long certification process. Only C-17 was developed in low inflationary period of 1990s with stable multi decade orders. and there is not much use of C-17 beyond tranpsort. There is no high power AWACS and tanker version in wide use.

    Y-20 cannot compete in Chinese domestic market as its engines are obsolete and airframe is cannot be certified in reasonable time. like in 3 to 4 years.

    From the same angle and distance. the tail is exceedingly large. and engines look exeedingly small. Its dysfunctional design.

    The point is that this design is not so much multifuctional. it will likely have much lower speed and altitude. I highly doubt it has crusing speed anywhere close to 850km/hr. and with lower procurement per year. It will never achieve economies of scale for sustainable operations.

    do not worry, china has big demand and big money, they will be producing many many y20 for a long time and they have a big potential market. ilushin has smaller demand because russia does not have as much money. they hire new ethnic chinese defense minister who want to cut crazy military spending in russia. also russia have many other transport aircraft so demand for new ilushin is smaller than demand for new y20 in china.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2269927
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    Said to be from the Y-20 !

    so then same length as ilushin but much wider. that is good then, can carry more type of planes, helicopters and tanks with out breaking it into many tiny pieces.

    in reply to: South America market 2015-2035 #2270013
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    I don’t think 1435 will need to lose sleep any time soon 😉

    i can agree typhoon may have slight advantage against jf17 but against j10b or j31, not so sure. maybe not.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2270015
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    All T tail transports look to have massive tails.

    And I like how you can infer all of that with a glance at a photo, maybe all aerospace companies should hire you to give their designs a once over seeing as you seem to know whether a plane will fly the way they want via eyeballing.

    In case you didn’t read my post, the end point was that Y-20 probably won’t be challenging Il-476 for export orders any time soon. So I’m not sure why you’re suddenly so testy.

    Btw Y-20s seemingly unwieldy tail is likely an effect of angle and the generally low resolution of the picture.
    We haven’t got a decent side picture yet, and this CG is the closest thing we got (most likely made by someone who was actually there to give us a teasuer of the eventual real high res photos that inevitably must have been taken)
    If this is accurate at all clearly its tail is not as large as you believe, at least it looks proportionally sized with the likes of C-17, Il-76 and A400M (not to mention C-2, which also has a massive tail)

    http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8749/y20side.jpg

    yes it does look like the c2 but much larger with more pwoerful engine
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VRUrMZmSZzA/T4OXYhTEpsI/AAAAAAAAKi0/Q2O4WyITGSI/s1600/Japan+JASDF+Kawasaki+C-2+%28XC-2%29+military+transport+aircraft+%281%29.jpg
    both design is new generation of transport.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2270071
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    have u looked at the tail of plane. It looks bigger than the plane. I can predict the plane will end up to be overweight/draggrier/low operational speed & altitude with short life span and will unable to fullfill most of mission requirements.
    and IL-476 has delivery schedule of 103 planes before 2021. Not orders.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/26795/
    http://sdelanounas.ru/i/d/w/dWxnb3YucnUvcHViL2ltYWdlcy9hdHRzL25ld3MvZ2FsbGVyeS8xMjIyMTYwLkpQRz9fX2lkPTI2Nzk1.jpg

    ilyushin was nice plane but 1970s is over. better to use a fresh design than something with 40 year old inspiration.

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -IV #2007814
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    Russia and China have signed a memorandum of understanding on the sale of four Amur-class (Project 677E) diesel electric attack submarines to China .

    The final contract is tentatively worth $2 billion and is expected to be signed by the parties no earlier than 2015

    http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/posts/3917262.shtml

    this is big lie from russian media again just like su35. no report from chinese side.

    in reply to: South America market 2015-2035 #2270080
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    I don’t see JF-17 as a pointless purchase if you are looking to replace F-16 A/B -Mirage 1/3/5/2000 or F-5 and don’t have a lot of money JF-17 dose have BVR is multi role and is comparable in the horizontal plan to early F-16. A multi role type will always have value.

    http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1020/62323119124019879417620.jpg

    for some country j10 not j17 is a better choice. i think argentina has some chance because they work with china on other military projects. if they can fix their economy they can maybe even get j31 by which time it is bye bye typhoon and falklands!

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2270085
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    can you pls shut up about Russia?

    it is not just a problem for russian industry but american one too becaue c17 is almost out of production and too expensive for most country. y20 may have free rein on medium size transport once it flies with chinese engines.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2270235
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    Yeppp….. a very nice Christmas present from Xi’an !

    wow its so big!!!!! do not look like iluyshin like many people claim. china has huge advantage since russia decide not to make a new transport! export on!

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2270240
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    I doubt under the obviously “compressed” development timeline it’s practical to requiring SAC to integrate F-35 level subsystems onto F31. After all F35 has very bold design ambitions and has been under development for decades. Puting together the best systems on hand (which have been tested on J10 or J11) is enough to make it a very useful fighter. As for better systems, they can be gradually introduced to forthcoming improved types.

    compress is okay in china because china is not us. china does not have to combine navy, marine, air force needs into one airplane like f35. sac just made one j31.
    china do not have to deal with american changing political opinions all the time and they do not have to deal with foreign partners who change their mind all the time and make big slow downs. you can criticize china but its one party system makes it faster to get things done.
    also f35 came first. china do not revolutionize jet fighters, they let other countries do the work and china can make a better version of what they see. so j31 is like f35 but learned from its mistakes. so china does not have the same limitation f35 had in its development which is why they can produce j31 faster. it is not a compress schedule, just a schedule with much less obstacles than american ways of doing things.
    russia is similar and would like to do the same but it seem putin fired their defense minister and hired an ethnic chinese guy who promise to make defense cuts.

    in reply to: pakfa stealthiness debate thread #2270272
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    Sukhoi is now using today standards supercomputer. they may have come conclusion that full stealth has too much penalties on airframe for speed, agility, strike range. maintainability and ease of upgrades.
    and than there is advancement in ground based radars like upcoming S500. so it is basically hopeless in that context.
    so minimum they are doing is frontal stealth against tiny radars of fighter aircraft. PAKFA supposed to fly higher and faster than most stealth aircraft.

    i think you are right, the design pakfa went down is they decide not to go with stronger stealth feature to emphasize other aspects. full stealth is expensive and only us and china can afford it. but maybe not even us can afford it these days. canada just drop f35!

    in reply to: J-20 Thread 8 #2270384
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    very smooth like glass

    in reply to: pakfa stealthiness debate thread #2270389
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    IMO, APA has overstated what T-50 is.

    T-50 appears to be a handling qualities demonstrator in the same way YF-22 was a demonstrator.

    T-50 is still missing too many stealth design details and is probably no stealthier than a clean F/A-18E/F.

    maybe i can agree but russia do not use the progression same system as us. in the us 2 yf22 is built before going to f22 design, 2 x35 built before going to f35 design. but in russia they are on the 4th pakfa design and the last two may have radar inside so they are serious with the design and may sticking to it.
    even the indian fga model is exactly the same as pakfa
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hfzan2CjN4A/UF2GdrYCXsI/AAAAAAAAROI/pd4peiuY8pc/s400/HAL+PMF.jpg
    they may change final radar and engine but it seem more and more likely overall shape will be the same

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2270413
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    the bottom of the j31 is very smooth and flat and it seem it can fit two good size bays, same amount as pakfa. j31 is not a copy of f35 but if it is, it is an improvement on the outside at least. real issue is the inside systems. can china do it?

    in reply to: J-20 Thread 7 #2271193
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    How is the J-15 better than Su-33? Its a copy. And how would China know anything about upgrading carriers, they don’t even have catapults. The Russians have already designed Ulyanovsk and are designing a new carrier, plus the Chinese carrier is a scrapped carrier.
    By the way, China and Russia are not allies.

    russia also do not have catapult and other carrier was not real. russian carrier still using old stuff. but chinese upgraded the carrier to use new radar, new system and j15 has new radar and engines too. j15 airframe is new but su33 is still stuck in 1980s. china also produce a trainer version of j15 something that russia do not have for their carriers.

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