victor45“…deserves his service”? Why not?
You’re talking about a guy who sold his talents to Hitler and the Nazi’s, I’d say the U.S. was a far more deserving outlet for his talents.
BTW: They were willing to fund his ideas…I don’t think France or the U.K. could/would. Why would he go with the Russians after the way they treated his countrymen?
Politics/freedoms/quality of life aside, be “scientifically” pragmatic. Why not go with the winners and who has the biggest cheque book?
fair comment ,but didnt the yanks do the dirty on him later by releasing his nazi party ID to the worlds media,after initially agreeing not to so do,or is it simply a case of throw him to the dogs when his worth is over,,having said that i suppose the reds would have placed him in siberia, so at least he was warm .:cool:
victor45Not quite, my good man. The Bf 109 and He 112 were direct competitors, and the He 112 was found to be severely wanting in flight tests against the faster and more agile Bf 109. As with all things involving the Nazi gov’t, there was a definite political undertone… in this instance, the head of the Luftwaffe procurement office, Erhard Milch, absolutely loathed Willy Messerschmitt due to a series of fatal crashes of his M20 airliner while in Lufthansa service, which caused a great deal of ill will towards the airline. And who was the head of Lufthansa at the time? Yep, good old Erhard Milch. He was forced to acknowledge the superiority of the 109 to the 112 and production contracts were awarded to Messerschmitt, with satellite production being arranged by other facilities including Focke-Wulf, Arado, and AGO.
The He 100 was in fact a superior design to the 109 (especially in the gear design), but by the time the He 100 was being tested, all of the production infrastructure had been put in place for the 109, so no orders were forthcoming. Believe it or not, the Germans had to pay for everything just like everyone else (at least prewar), and they couldn’t afford to split production capacity at the time.
As to the 177, the much-maligned “Reichsfeuerzeug”, that still stands as the “perfect storm” of unintended consequences due to overengineering. My favorite design “feature” on the aircraft is the oil tank for the DB 610 which was mounted to the magnesium firewall. Vibrations from the inherently wobbly DB 610 would be transmitted back through the engine bearers to the firewall and assorted framing, and the oil tank would develop small fractures, allowing oil to drip down. No biggie, right? Well, due to the inverted V engine design, the inboard banks of cylinders shared a central exhaust manifold exiting from the lower end of the nacelle… directly below the aforementioned oil tank. It doesn’t take a degree in aeronautical engineering to forecast what came next… oil drops down, catches fire on the manifold, which then spreads to the magnesium firewall, and voila… it’s parachute time!
Drag reduction by coupling engines is all well and good in theory, but I’d say the benefits were far outweighed by the catastrophic design failures encountered. And I’d venture to say that Ernst Heinkel would likely agree with that, were he around today.
Lynn
fascinating ,infomative info thankyou very much for your contribution
regards vic:cool:
victor45raf driffield
hi phillip
do you know kris dunham.hes done a lot of research about the airfield and hes local to you
regards vic:cool: 😎
victor45Oh dear, is it just me noticing this or are you TOTALLY naive?
1. Cowboys preying on feelings. Yes? So if ever you were ever in the unfortunate position of finding your dog requiring life saving bowel surgery you would still consider vets to be cowboys? Or perhaps you would just get a library book and have a go yourself?
2. Cataract. Who told you it was definitely a cataract? Or have you just let this cataract mature after being diagnosed by yourself with no input from a vet? When the word SPECIALIST was mentioned did it not enter your head that there would be an extremely hefty consultation fee?
I’ve taken my dog to a so called budget vets. He will NEVER go there again. If you can’t insure your dog, I have been unable to insure mine due to a pre existing injury, then why not join a treatment scheme which gives six monthly health checks, annual injections and a years supply of frontline and worming treatments.
Regards,
kev35
no such thing as budget vets mate its in your head vets who charge reasonable rates is the proper definition you obviously have money to burn eh. the cataract was diagnosed by a vet and they advised me to contact said consultant,iexpected a fee but not rip off time,(thats cowboy to you )
and if my dog had a life threatning condition then i would shop around for the most cost effective treatment unlike yourself who would simply pay up regardless,as i said money to burn and proud of it way to go:D 😀 😀
victor45Oh dear, is it just me noticing this or are you TOTALLY naive?
1. Cowboys preying on feelings. Yes? So if ever you were ever in the unfortunate position of finding your dog requiring life saving bowel surgery you would still consider vets to be cowboys? Or perhaps you would just get a library book and have a go yourself?
2. Cataract. Who told you it was definitely a cataract? Or have you just let this cataract mature after being diagnosed by yourself with no input from a vet? When the word SPECIALIST was mentioned did it not enter your head that there would be an extremely hefty consultation fee?
I’ve taken my dog to a so called budget vets. He will NEVER go there again. If you can’t insure your dog, I have been unable to insure mine due to a pre existing injury, then why not join a treatment scheme which gives six monthly health checks, annual injections and a years supply of frontline and worming treatments.
Regards,
kev35
no such thing as budget vets mate its in your head vets who charge reasonable rates is the proper definition you obviously have money to burn eh. the cataract was diagnosed by a vet and they advised me to contact said consultant,iexpected a fee but not rip off time,(thats cowboy to you )
and if my dog had a life threatning condition then i would shop around for the most cost effective treatment unlike yourself who would simply pay up regardless,as i said money to burn and proud of it way to go:D 😀 😀
victor45he177
thankyou for the mountain of responses and in particular those exellent photographs of the downed 177 marvellous stuff,in retrospect its very clear their technology was well in advance of the times ironically time ,materials,fuel and experienced pilots /aircrew were drying up, had the germans held back with the hostilities this would have allowed the luftwaffe provision to evaluate/develop all the many prototypes then being built which would have obviously altered the conclusion of the war if not prolonged it by some considerable time,that the germans had superior engineering prowess in respect of aeronautics is unquestionable,the greif was developed too quickly due to the then situation.obviously the french labour used to construct the 277 just dogged the project with stoppages and general timewasting to ensure it never flew in anger,the fact that the luftwatte lacked a significant four engined heavy bomber cost them the air war without doubt and im sure this has been stated by better qualified people than moi .again many thanks for the responses thankyou:cool: 😎 😎
victor45Quote deleted. There is no need to quote the entire post directly above – Moggy
Forget the pc these people are cowboys just preying on peoples feelings and doing very well ,our pooch has a cataract on his left eye,so i ask around and am informed there is a vet who specializes in this field,so i contact said chap “oh yes bring him in and ill have a look at him” so we agree a date/time,i ring back to confirm and ask what ill need to bring along ie dogs medical record etc,”no sir “says the receptionist “just £125 consultation fee”!!!! (we hadnt been told about this little item ) i then consulted another vet who informed me that vets wont operate on an animal with one cataract as their other eye compensates for the injured one so its not done.HA so we would have paid out£125 for advice id had free from another vets thats how these so called professionals make their pile nice one
victor45Quote deleted. There is no need to quote the entire post directly above – Moggy
Forget the pc these people are cowboys just preying on peoples feelings and doing very well ,our pooch has a cataract on his left eye,so i ask around and am informed there is a vet who specializes in this field,so i contact said chap “oh yes bring him in and ill have a look at him” so we agree a date/time,i ring back to confirm and ask what ill need to bring along ie dogs medical record etc,”no sir “says the receptionist “just £125 consultation fee”!!!! (we hadnt been told about this little item ) i then consulted another vet who informed me that vets wont operate on an animal with one cataract as their other eye compensates for the injured one so its not done.HA so we would have paid out£125 for advice id had free from another vets thats how these so called professionals make their pile nice one
victor45I didn’t see which aircraft attacked the camp, and I didn’t record it so couldn’t look back but IMHO there was more than a little bit of storytellers licence.
Although covering a very important piece of the war, it was the biggest heap of tripe I have ever seen, and could not watch to the end….I cannot believe the Panzer divison would have been left to return to the front. Maybe that is based on fact though? I will be happy to be corrected!
Regards,
Scotty
a cheap film made to shock and sensationalise the whole concentration camp scenario not good television at all and an hour too long 😎 😎
victor45Here’s what happened.
Moggy is lost for a number of days, and one of the lines of enquiry is to phone vet, and see if they have heard anything. Yes, they do have a tabby in the surgery , brought in at the week end.
We go down to check, hurrah it is Mog, but has been operated on and has a wired up jaw, after an encounter with a car. the car driver brought her to vets (thanks) but left no details.
Vet explains all the attention she has received, and produces a bill for…£800!!
We paid an installment of £200 on the spot, with an agreement to pay off balance.In the cold light of day we are asking is this bill fair or reasonable? especially as the cost was not agreed before being undertaken. What is a fair price for two cat surgery sessions ( under general anasthetic) and an x-ray??
These people are cowboys who charge exorbitant fees to vulnerable pet owners who love their animals its time the government stepped in and controlled these parasites who all make good livings just look at the cars they drive and the extremley expensive ambulances they have on standby usually mercedes, we have to shop around every year to finsd a reasonably priced booster jab and look out for the consultation fees nice work if you can get it and they do
victor45Here’s what happened.
Moggy is lost for a number of days, and one of the lines of enquiry is to phone vet, and see if they have heard anything. Yes, they do have a tabby in the surgery , brought in at the week end.
We go down to check, hurrah it is Mog, but has been operated on and has a wired up jaw, after an encounter with a car. the car driver brought her to vets (thanks) but left no details.
Vet explains all the attention she has received, and produces a bill for…£800!!
We paid an installment of £200 on the spot, with an agreement to pay off balance.In the cold light of day we are asking is this bill fair or reasonable? especially as the cost was not agreed before being undertaken. What is a fair price for two cat surgery sessions ( under general anasthetic) and an x-ray??
These people are cowboys who charge exorbitant fees to vulnerable pet owners who love their animals its time the government stepped in and controlled these parasites who all make good livings just look at the cars they drive and the extremley expensive ambulances they have on standby usually mercedes, we have to shop around every year to finsd a reasonably priced booster jab and look out for the consultation fees nice work if you can get it and they do
victor45Confirmed by UK serials, d/d 29.9.53, sold to Leeds 21.5.70.
hi newforest
many thanks for the information, i know one of its engines was taken out for inclusion in an aviation engine restoration group led by one robin goodman who apparently took quite a few engines from various sources then didnt aknowledge their owners donating same which upset a few of them but thats sort of par for the course ,anyone heard of this chap:cool: 😎 😎
victor45Thanks for those Peter.
That was such a shame that it did not come off 🙁
curlyboy
all that preparation and the first engineers death followed by the auxilliary engine not being secured properly whist taxing etc, just wasnt meant to be or maybe bad luck and a remiss attitude:cool:
victor45People in Glasshouses Etc Etc……
well commented:mad: 😡 😡
victor45“Mornin’ Flynn…..”
“…Mornin’ Greaser….”
followed by some short skit on a current topic if I remember correctly.
Wasn’t Flynn simply a mythical character that NE “pre-recorded”?
I’m afraid to admit that I remember that far back too – that was in the days when the Noel Edmonds breakfast show handed over to Tony Blackburn’s mid-morning show……:o
Paul F.
hi paul
i used to like hearing his milk float coming along and his manic whistle great stuff
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