challengeHow many variants of this missile are there? IIRC, there’s:
Kh-25ML (Laser)
Kh-25MT (TV)
Kh-25MP (Radiation)
Kh-25MTP (Thermal)Any others?
KH-25MTP thermal? IR imaging seeker?
challengeTrue , But I would assume that the US is ahead in this business compared to ROW
Even if you look at Janes and others the Range if AIM-120A/B is quoted between 50 ~ 70 km
But since the C5 are classified , There is just some estimate on it , I have never seen any info on C5 even on Janes.A DACT is a DACT , Just us we are smart enough to revel little and learn a lot so does the other side , It would be a fair statement to say that C5 will be best in the business for its class when it is released in the subcontinent . Not withstanding the so call R-27/R-77 combo scnerio which looks good on paper.
There are two way to counter it in terms of equipment either the US supplies you with C7 & better Radar/Aircraft , So That the real advantage is restored which sets you in a long term Trap since hence forth the US decides how to maintain the delicate balance.
Or go for a better long term solution either a Meteor or Ramjet R-77 , A Ramjet should be a Favoured solution for LRAAM IMHO because of Low Volume/Weight and for its End Game Energy which also favours a First Look/First Kill Engagment.
You look at fleet of J-10A/B + F-16 Blk 50/52 plus + Thaandar ,10 years fron now , All equipped with BVR missile of varying degree , You will realise we not only require better training but *comprehensive* better equipment in countering them without falling into any Trap.
according to janes,USAF secretly testing ram jet version AMRAAM ,single ramjet power AMRAAM fired against iraqi jet in 1995-and missed!
But raytheon plan to extend the range to 120km to arm F-22.
challengeTrue , But I would assume that the US is ahead in this business compared to ROW
Even if you look at Janes and others the Range if AIM-120A/B is quoted between 50 ~ 70 km
But since the C5 are classified , There is just some estimate on it , I have never seen any info on C5 even on Janes.A DACT is a DACT , Just us we are smart enough to revel little and learn a lot so does the other side , It would be a fair statement to say that C5 will be best in the business for its class when it is released in the subcontinent . Not withstanding the so call R-27/R-77 combo scnerio which looks good on paper.
There are two way to counter it in terms of equipment either the US supplies you with C7 & better Radar/Aircraft , So That the real advantage is restored which sets you in a long term Trap since hence forth the US decides how to maintain the delicate balance.
Or go for a better long term solution either a Meteor or Ramjet R-77 , A Ramjet should be a Favoured solution for LRAAM IMHO because of Low Volume/Weight and for its End Game Energy which also favours a First Look/First Kill Engagment.
You look at fleet of J-10A/B + F-16 Blk 50/52 plus + Thaandar ,10 years fron now , All equipped with BVR missile of varying degree , You will realise we not only require better training but *comprehensive* better equipment in countering them without falling into any Trap.
according to janes,USAF secretly testing ram jet version AMRAAM ,single ramjet power AMRAAM fired against iraqi jet in 1995-and missed!
But raytheon plan to extend the range the 120km to arm F-22.
challengeThat just does not fit. Since Phazotron cannot rely on domestic orders, they MUST export.
according to back issue of Miltech,Passive array antenna,do not enjoy quantum leap over AESA,and slight advantage over conventional slotted antenna,that’s why USAF with exeption of B-1 bomber,refuse adapt them in fighteraircraft.
challengenext generation of anti radiation missile will possess dual mode seeker,during the kosovo air war USAF and RAF fire hundred of anti radiation missiles against serb “radar”target it turn out much of target was decoy,One british army discovery large number discarded microwave oven in suppose “target rich” area ,the mocrowave oven can mimic E-F band radar,one was seen mounted in rotating mast.
challengeNot only is this a false report but there was also no need for a new thread considering the vibrant nature of the already existing chinese military aviation thread.
investigation show the cause of accident,no deicing and crew overload.
due to weright of electronic equipemnt,the aircraft is limited to below 30 passenger,but according to the investigation,they discover the violate the safety procedure by allowing 40 passengers.other was lack of de-icing.
giving this,the next KJ-200 has to be twin jet power passenger aircraft.
challengeRubbish. Time has shown us if one country has an embargo, another will fill the void if it’s in its best interests.
Example:France and Russia both did big business with Iraq both pre and post 1991 Gulf War. Canada does business with Cuba, etc.
When there’s money to be made people/counties make it.
If A US company can’t do something, I’m sure no one in a firm’s boardroom in London, Paris, Moscow…even Helsinki…is going to say “No, we better not do that as (name the US firm) will be upset.
You failed to include halliburton,they got sales office in teheran,was exposed early this year.yet nothing ever happen to chenny.
challengeOnce again rumour time !!!
Recent post on CMF with an aircraft with clipped/folding wings. Next to some JH-7s. Have you guys seen this on Google Earth? Coords are 31 18 49.34″ N 121 25 03.75″ E (posted by Zephyr106 at the CDF)
But I’m very sceptical esp. as the right wing looks errased by photoshop ! :confused:
Any comments ???
Deino
i recall reading a Chinese website 4 years ago, report that xian aircraft co is offering a carrier variant of JH-7,folding wing and arresting hook.
the project report may be company private project.
challengeThe Tu-126 was for unknown reasons a failure, at least when one sees the original concept and the resulting service life. Planned as a support system for ground based suveillance it was supposed to monitor the northern border. It ended after a production of 8 (which is in the Soviet dimensions of the 1960 not more than an extended prototype program) and spent most of its time in the baltics.
Service on the northern border – from the mid 50s the most likely ingress route of B-52s – was not frequent. The argument about low level inruders is only partly valid: no attacker can go all the way on the deck, therefore he will have a high-low-high profil. If I have AWACS, I can increase the radar radius to 300km, actually forcing the enemy to either fly on the deck for long distances (effectively reducing range, payload and safety) or risk detection.
The platform was by the reports I read not really suitable (noise, vibration), but the real problem was most likely the radar and attached systems (data link). In general the Tu-126 was (as always in SU) planned very abitiously and failed many expectations. Technology was not ready in the 60s for really capable airborne radar platforms.
according to pakistani air force, during the inida -pakistan war,TU-126 provide air surveillance for the Inidan air forces,any confirmation about the allegation?
challengeOh it would probably be a few days or so. We supply Israel with stuff, and they in-turn sell of the tech to put our troops in the Pacific at risk. It’s a great sham. 😉
The list of bled U.S. tech via Israel’s orient express, is long.
You forgot the pentagon refuse British request access to source code.despite the fact tony blair support the US invasion of Iraq.
challengethat’s remind me i should go to nearest gas station to fill up car,before it shot up again.
challengeThe Kh-31P should work with the RWR, not the radar. The fire control system will provide stores and display management for the missile, but it is the RWR that will provide the targeting or cueing data for the missile.
The picture is interesting because of the combination of Russian and Chinese missiles here. But if this was really Russian, where is the R-73 and R-77? Mind you there is another J-8II photo that appears to have an R-77 and a Kh-31, but I cannot be sure of the validity of the photograph. If this was Chinese it would be easier to explain the limited integration of Russian weapons to include both the Kh-31P and the R-27, but not the R-77 and R-73. At the same time, it’s never been clear, and never been shown that a Russian radar has managed to integrate the PL-5, PL-8 and PL-11.
If this was a Chinese radar doing this, this might circumstantially confirm the rumored Kh-31P use of the J-8H variant and that similar capabilities might also be in store with the J-10.
According to chinese aviation web site 3 years ago, wild wiesel type F-8 version being develop,other was Y-8 gunship
challengeOfcourse, everyone could see it. This is Pakistan’s/China’s first brand new plane that is being built at its home. I wouldn’t be surprised if PLAAF get more than 200 FC-1’s either. These planes are very capable. Sure they might have 7 hardpoints/1 engine but if you look at the sophisticated technologies used aboard this air craft you will surely not under rate it. Lets look at it for a second.
-Able to track air targets from 75~100 KM, lock on and shoot at 75 KM (total SD-10 range)
-Able to track sea targets from 135 KM! Making it excellent for Naval support
-3D digital map, for precise shooting
-Can recieve data from AWACS/ground troops through Data link and Data bus
-Can carry a wide array of weapons
-And believe it or not it even has 5th generation technology integrated onto it
Now imagine having 150+/200+ of these planes and heck, the ranges will dramatically increase with the introduction fo new radars,equipment and not to mention weapons. The most improvement i’ve seen is the F-U-L-L-Y digital cockpit (glass cockpit) with no guage in sight. Also they have made such wonderful achivements including the time when the Divertless Intake System was first bought forth. The best part it ofcourse the one and only design which is ‘un-deniably’ VERY SEXY!
Pakistan is probably gonna have western technology equipped on its JF-17 ( the later versions) while China goes ahead independently relying on itself to get through its problems (eg. WS-13 engine and Klj-7 radar)
Although everything is going pretty smooth and i should be grateful (which i am) I would like to see both countries further push this aircraft to meet their future requirements. Since the JF-17/FC-1 has a low combat radius an A2A refuelling probe which will be introduced in future variants should be pushed at being introduced at a faster rate. But then again Pakistan does not have a refueller so there is no rush for it but for China its a different story.
:rolleyes:
PAF report will use italian radar,while Selex (UK) offering AESA,already Selex already sign contract to provide AESA tornado upgrade.
challengeHere is some more pics of the Mainstay.
Anyone got more of the Maxdome?
First and second is an A-50U Mainstay-B, third is an A-50 Mainstay-A beeing escorted by two Su-27UB/Su-30s, and fourth is an “Aircraft 976” Mainstay-C parked on airshow display.
the aircraft cabin was not pressurized,radar operator has to wear oxygen mask, all the radar consule are arranged in vertical,similiar to hawkeye,use crt display rather than more modern MFD,(but the Russians are offering newer MFI display to india and China,) and entire electronic equipment are located on the ceiling .
her electronic component are 15% more heavier than American counterpart.
challengeI compiled this list of all known Mainstays (pluss the Chinese relative) with the help of Yefim Gordon’s “Red Star Volume 23: Soviet/Russian AWACS Aircraft”.
Can anyone help me fill in the blanks, or correct me if something is wrong?
😮
Russia may lease single A-50 to china,hoping for order but negative evaulation by both chinese and Indian air force found aircraft dashed the hope.
according to indian AF,mainstay has difficult tracking low flying aircraft,outdate instrucment panel…etc.or “hawkeye in steroid”
after israel caved in US pressure not to sale Phalcon to China,Russia step in offering improve version,better electronic,modern MFI display
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