Wethersfield is currently the MOD Police training center but for how much longer I wonder? The government is currently centralising all service police training i.e.Royal Military Police,Royal Air Force Police,Royal Navy Regulating Branch, Royal Marines Police to the old Naval base HMS Dryad a few miles north of Portchester,Hampshire (where Eisenhower planned D-Day). The MOD Police are due to join them eventually at what is called Southwick Park. So are we about to see yet another old base fall into complete disrepair and lost forever?
That’s not what I wanted to hear, most of my stepsons best pals have fathers who instruct at Wethersfield, he’ll be peeved if they’re shipped off to Hampshire.
There are some strange happenings up the base, we get convoys of police vehicles coming through the village some days, and some unusual military vehicles with no markings. Apache helicopters are the latest new comers to make the odd foray.
Last year there was a lot of coming and going involving the Royal Navy bomb disposal squad.
There was alot of ammo being expended yesterday on some sort of exercise, they were firing until quite late in the evening.
So this could be another load of cheap MOD housing being released on to the market, mind you we can do with it round here, although I hear that some of it is in a pretty poor state.
My stepson was playing up there with his mates one day, when they accidentally broke a patio door window in one of the derelict houses, despite the fact that this place was due for demolition, the MoD tried to charge me £2500 to replace it. Fortunately, his mates old man is fairly senior up there and told them to get stuffed, we never heard anymore about it.
I have a good tale to tell about Sir John-Ruggles Brise, former Lord Lieutenant
of Essex who at the grand old age of 97 still lives in Spains Hall, which is situated about a mile from the end of the runway.
Now he told me this tale himself. One day, while meeting the Queen on official business in London, the new F-100’s arrived at Wethersfield, while practising noisy take offs and landings they flew straight over the hall.
On arriving home, he found his precious 15th century stained glass screen in pieces on the floor, the noise and vibration was shaking the house to bits.
On making a telephone call of complaint to the base commander, a USAF staff car was dispatched to pick him up.
After profuse apologies, he elected to climb into the back of a 2-seater F-100 in order to work out a better landing and take off pattern from the air,
he told me it was one of the greatest experiences he ever had, and well worth the damage to the screen, I think the USAF paid for it’s restoration, it’s still there, though probably now suffering under the Stansted flightpath.
Yes, I believe they did! CIA or FBI anyway – can’t confirm just yet though. Kubrick and Adam were bricking it by all accounts.
Cracking story too.
Interesting aside to this, there you are at a fancy dress party looking like Alex and feeling pretty cool and all the girls took the p###, I was quite surprised, however there was one, should I say, mature woman, who based herself outside the toilet and insisted on helping all the males with help to relieve themselves.
I used the garden.
With regard to Strangelove.
I gather that Slim Pickens was convinced by Kubrick that it was a serious film and consequently developed a ‘Gung Ho’ attitude to it, which caused a lot of hillarity on set, I also remember that Sellers was earmarked for other parts but couldn’t manage the US southern accent without them all collapsing with hysteria.
Sad lot, I have a cunning plan, go and be a freeloader, miss the traffic jams and be home in time to see England’s famous victory over Germany, not.
I hear that Rooney will be performing an aerobatic solo in an Me262 instead.
Thanks for that Daz, excellent.
Pete – my wife refused to watch it. Then came and sat down after half an hour and stayed watching it. It is maybe disturbing for it’s time and previous cinematic outpourings, but in all honesty it pales next to anything with Arnie or Willis in for mindless violence. It’s nowhere near as shocking, violence-wise, as Private Ryan. Much of the fighting is choreographed in a way reminiscent of tai-chi. It IS beautifully filmed.
haven’t read Ballards book – did have it but no idea what happened to it.
Strangelove is great. And Production Designer was ex-609 Tiffy pilot. he designed the famous war room.
This will make you smile, at the time Clockwork Orange came out and was then withdrawn by Kubrick, we were invited to a fancy dress party.
Yes, you’ve guessed it we dressed up as Alex and the Droogs.
Having a slight resemblance to Malcolm McDowell, I wore the bowler hat and eyelash, we really looked the part and went on a ‘Surprise visit’ around Nottingham in a Vauxhall Viva, including a visit to a pub, shudder.
How we got away with it, I don’t know.
Eventually we arrived at the party and I had someone primed to take out the music and put on the soundtrack to the film.
We kicked the door in and caused mayhem, eventually, during a mock battle with a bunch of Vikings outside, the police arrived and we were in big trouble, that film caused a lot of angst at the time.
Didn’t the B-52 scenes in Strangelove cause the production staff to be interviewed by the CIA because of their realism, which was completely made up.
Hmm, I was also under the impression it was Hoof.
Apart from the fatal over-acting of that snotty little ******* Bale, Malkovich grating and the ridiculously weird store of furniture in the desert it is fantastic. I bought and watched it again last year after Steve died – remembering him scream ‘P51 Cadillac of the Skies!’ on the tank bank – and cried. I always found that bit emotional, but even more so now. Perhaps it was knowing that the pilot who waves is actually no longer with us. VERY powerful bit of cinema.
JG Ballard did Crash as well – and didn’t the Daily Mail go ape**** over that! And the Govt wanted it banned etc. I’d seen it a few months before in France and instead of finding it shocking I found it incredibly dull. I should watch it again now to see if I can understand it any better! (Clockwork Orange didn’t disturb me either – main reaction being how incredibly beautiful the lighting and filming was! Perhaps i’m psychotic?). Ballard also rejected an MBE or OBE or something too. Pretentious twatt.
Have you read the book, it’s bloody good, I think it’s unfortunate that Speilberg chose to omit the sinking of the gunboat in the attack on Shanghai, it formed a good founding to the story. Also, the furniture in the stadium was supposed to have have been the stuff looted by the Japanese from the western enclave, how much of this is J G Ballards memories or imagination, we will probably never know.
Interestingly enough, last night, I had a discussion with my film buff, 12 year old, going on 21, stepson, about important films he hadn’t seen, I put Dr Strangelove at the top of the list, followed by Rainman, ok it’s got Tom Cruise in it, Clockwork Orange was mentioned, but madam won’t allow that film in the house, however, George and I exchanged glances, we will see, I also have the book, should I start with that.
Just seen Dasd’s post, wow, definately Ray, what a cinematic scene chaps, I can taste the cordite in my mouth.
Is this a new DVD then, too lazy to check with Amazon.
Haven’t seen it for a while but has always been one of my fav films, it has some tasty little scenes, I always thought it was Hoof Proudfoot flying the ‘Cadillac of the Skies’.
Perhaps Speilberg would be a good candidate for the much debated remake of Dambusters, he could fly over in the Canadian Lancaster.
Pete, re stearman, I would have thought that it was possible to injure yourself more than KST just climbing into one!! there wasn’t even a speck of blood ,and she had a white dress on! I think the Pheonix was built to look flimsy but did have an FAA certificate; I certainly wouldn’t want to be in the front cockpit of one (stearman) when it was put down like that! (I half expected the pilot to spring out of the rear cockpit shouting woof! woof!, Treat your womam like yer kite etc etc. Good to hear your son’s ok Re mis diagnosis,if you want a second opinion don’t ask another doctor, and no we don’t “do” medical dramas I don’t need reminding how fragile life is , or her constant criticism ,of something I have no specialist knowledge in -actually thats almost everything really!!
Nice one, ok, I except that KST could at least have had a nose bleed, but it would have spoilt that dress.
Incidentally, it was the 5th doctor that finally worked it out, and he was Addenbrookes registrar, top man, he was the business, the lumbar puncture he performed to prove his point was not pleasant to watch, and they thought that he himself had come down with the disease the week after, fortunately for us mortals it was flu, we can’t afford to lose people like him.
Good movie – one of very few guaranteed to make me shed at tear by the end! (Where Almasy prompts Hana to euthanise him).
But surely you mean Willem Dafoe, and not Daniel Defoe? 😉
Sorry you are right, my brain wasn’t working working properly, was I thinking Gullivers Travels. My tearful moment is when Auf Wiedershen Pet shouldn’t have happened and our Geordie sargeant gets booby trapped at the statue amongst all the rejoicing, I was getting wound up waiting for that scene.
There were rules laid down by the air ministry and the admiralty. The general rules can be found here.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/brdes.html
The Cat names of the 1960’s were all Anglo-French projects (Jaguar was suggested by the French as it went with SEPECAT and was spelt and pronounced the same in both English and French (BAC had to get the OK from the Car Company first). The case for the Helicopters was the same. Tornado was a similar case in that the spelling was the same in all three languages. The current Typhoon was a follow on from Tornado (and there was a fight to get the aircraft called that name thanks to the PC brigade).
Something to do with the Germans wasn’t it, so what are the Luftwaffe going to call it, something else? You can’t blame them for not wanting to name an a/c after something that killed a lot of German troops, particularly in the Falaise pocket. No offence meant to our German pals, I had a wonderful time in Bavaria last year, but please don’t feel so guilty chaps, it was very noticeable and very sad, WW2 was nothing to do with the people that I associated with, but they were very reticent about even approaching the subject, it took a few wheat beers to get one to admit that his grandfather had been in U-Boats, brave man, I had no problem with it, he obviously did.
Although, you can tear any film to bits if you want,after all compare the crash of the Pheonix, it was the person sitting nearest to the engine (in both cases a radial) that died , the engine apparently crushing him , but in the EP she only gets a broken ankle/wrist and a few ribs, add that to the fact that the second biplane (tigermoth?) lands and takes off in similiar desert conditions as in the Pheonix, with no injestion of sand issues, and no skis. People on this forum are obviously in another league to me when it comes to acceptable authenticity in films; my wife is a specialist burns nurse ,she tears to shreds anything medical on tv re authenticity, its a good job she was asleep during the English Patient!.
I see where you’re coming from, but authenticity doesn’t always have to be a serious issue, and besides, reading the information on the Phoenix, it looks as if the a/c was quite flimsily built, whereas I would imagine that a Stearman is pretty robust.
Your wife sounds a brave woman, I don’t envy her that job for any money, does she like ‘House’, I bet she hates it, I can’t believe that I’m seeing Hugh Laurie in such a role, I’ve had so many real hospital dramas of my own this year, including meeting a similar character up at Addenbrookes who wanted to shoot the doctors that mis-diagnosed my sons meningitis, so I actually quite like it.
My boys fine by the way, complete recovery, and I think that the experience has made him a better person, not that he was a bad lad, he just has a better perception of life, the universe and everything, in other words, he knows he’s not immortal.
Watched the end of The Belle.
What tosh. 🙁
The story was dramatic enough without all the Hollywood bollox of the last minute cranking of the u/c and the guy nearly falling out of the bomb bay. 😡
Moggy
So did I and I agree, I could never get my head round the Belle, watching the actual filming all those years ago was very exciting, but the end product was not very good, it was lacking in all sorts of ways.
Another film that was on last night and not mentioned, ‘The English Patient’.
Unlike Pearl Harbor, this was a romantic story set AGAINST the background of a war, and in my opinion, very well done too, but then it wasn’t Hollywood was it, apart from funding, and the token American presence, Daniel Defoe, was superb.
The crash of the Stearman still makes me hide behind the settee.
All in all, I think it’s a great film, well shot, directed and acted, my sort of film really, the character of the Sikh bomb disposal officer is a gem, my favourite scene is when he lifts up the nurse on ropes, armed with a flare in order to see the frescos in the church, and then the bit where he’s trying to diffuse the bomb next to the viaduct with the Shermans attempting to cross, nice film.
Are we being conned here by the colour scheme into thinking it’s something Italian, please don’t go on all day as I have my kitchen to repaint, I’ve sat looking through my books and can’t relate it to anything in there, soooo, if Alanl is from Brum, what’s being restored in that area chaps.
The plane they leave on at the end of the film was meant to be constructed from one of the booms from the C-82. For some reason the stunt of “taking off” was considered too dangerous by the film makers, so a stunt pilot “Paul Mantz” was tasked with coming in low, running his landing gear along the ground and then climbing away to simulate a take-off.
On his second run in and the second take Mantz was killed when he unfortunately crashed the aircraft. However by this time all the main footage had already been canned, so another aircraft from a museum was substituted for the remaining close-ups.
Another great Jimmy Stewart film was Strategic Air Command made in 1955. Fantastic shots of B36’s in the air, and no CGI !!!!
Just had a look at the final scene, there was a tribute to Paul Mantz in the credits, anyway, back to the cup final, best I’ve seen for years, that last goal from Gerard was awesome, second period of extra time, must go.
Is this the original or the more recent rehash ?????
The original.
How about a wheel spat from a JU-87?
Oh dear, police and ambulances hurtling through the village, probably another vintage biker hit a tree, be warned.