“If you’d concentrated on the programme” sorry Pete, I was only called to watch the TV when the ‘crashed plane’ was on so did not know who, what or where things were happening.
I’ll let you off mate, that sort of thing happens to me as well, though we tend to have a good session with the Radio Times these days to check things out, well worth the £1:05p.
What is interesting is that the programme describes Kate Humble as a ‘Naturalist’. Quite frankly, my missus hasn’t much time for her, and if you look up her profile, she’s learnt her trade from experience and probably family influence rather than a university degree, good for her, as far as I’m concerned, theres nowt like learning stuff in the field rather than a classroom.
My son has had the best of both worlds, he’s just got his degree and is an honourary Masai warrior, he can also probably recognise the difference between a Betty and a Zero, and can scuba dive, unfortunately the powers that be want to shunt him off to become a teacher, as they say, it’s not what you know, it’s who you know, with his personality, charm and good looks, he’d take TV presenting in his stride, no problem at all, but where do you start to get in there without the contacts.
He’ll kill me for writing this!!!
This should be on Historic, those pre war German aerial photos of East Anglia were stunning, especially when they were seamlessly blended into modern sattelite photographs.
Having Google Earth is one thing, but these images actually move.
Well done BBC, I love it.
This should be on Historic, those pre war German aerial photos of East Anglia were stunning, especially when they were seamlessly blended into modern sattelite photographs.
Having Google Earth is one thing, but these images actually move.
Well done BBC, I love it.
But before the piece looking at the “Betty”? they dived on a transport ship that was full of fighters – with some closeups of a Zero?
Roger Smith
Did you notice that all the instruments had been stolen from the cockpit of the Zero, a bit of damage to the airframe you would expect, but I doubt whether the panel had emptied itself.
Back to the tank again, we have examples in Europe that have been rescued from the sea, Shermans from the D-Day beaches, one from Slapton Sands, and not well known, a couple of Conquerors from a pond near Colchester.
I wonder how well that Japanese tank would scrub up, I seem to recall examples at Lambeth IWM and Bovington, I reckon they are rarer than Zeros.
Just considered this picture again, and looking at the date, it’s not Hucknall, it’s Cottesmore BoB display 19th September 1959, I’m certain that they were both there as a tribute to Douglas Bader and Johnnie Johnson, Bader flew himself in in a twin Cessna type thing and Johnson was station commander at the time, the whole show was televised live on ITV in between bouts of wrestling, would you believe, I wonder if the video tapes are lurking in a vault somewhere.
Perhaps the Hurricane was temporarily painted in camo for this special occasion, was anyone else there.
Original blue paintwork….?
IIRC it’s ‘original’ factory camo ‘Last of the Many’ finish disappeared when it was painted blue for it’s 1950 Kings Cup Air Race appearance, and was then repainted back into it’s camo ‘Last of the Many’ scheme sometime in the mid-1960’s, before getting another re-paint for it’s use in the filming of Battle of Britain.
Interesting, I always assumed it was blue from the beginning, on the other hand, if it was delivered during the war it would be in camo finish wouldn’t it.
This is a photo we took at the Hucknall Airshow in 1959, I’m assuming that LotM is the Hurricane featured, I can’t tell whether it’s in camo finish or not from this picture though I’m thinking it may be in camo, and you can’t make out the white letters on the side either, would it possibly be wearing some sort of temporary film scheme, Reach for the Sky had been made 3 years previously so it couldn’t have been for that.
Sorry to mention it on a Hurrricane thread, but what would be the 4 bladed Spit.
Did anybody see the BBC series on Sunday night ? The series is an excellent wildlife programme following underwater explorers around the Paciffic. Last night showed film of a pratice dive on a WW2 plane wreck, it was identified as a Japanese twin enginned bomber, although missing engines. Any more details of what it was and where it was located, the obvious question is do these wildlife teams report these finds to restorers / military for possible identification or recovery.
If you’d concentrated on the programme, you would have realised that the bloke taking Kate down to the wreck was a miltiary historian, well aware of what was down there, and what they were reporting on.
I thought the programme was pretty cool, Kate seemed genuinely well knocked out about what she was seeing underwater as well as on land, please don’t dismiss all blonde, glam BBC reporters as idiots, it’s not always the case.
Personally, I loved the Japanese tank with the gas mask on the turret, though, a little sad to think how many died on that ship, Japanese or not. How many Japanese tanks have survived the war, it can’t be many, anyone have any idea?
The Cat did a very impressive tight turn over Braintree yesterday afternoon, it must have done it for a reason, my missus also reported that the Gypsy Moth featured in the ‘Britain from the air’ programme flew over her stables yesterday evening.
I’m bloody stunned, I had no idea about this.
Steve you cantankerous old git, we’ve crossed swords many times, but I love you to bits, I always look forward to your posts, whether I agree with them or not, it’s always good for a dig on both sides, if by some miracle I ever got to OZ, you would be the first person I looked up.
You’ve always been Mr Obituary, you miserable git, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve written your own you, silly sod, but I don’t want to hear it for many years to come.
I reckon that if you put those crappy old film posters round your bed, the sheer misery of subconciously having to look at them will have you running round the hospital campus in no time.
Good luck old pal, I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Pete.
I’m bloody stunned, I had no idea about this.
Steve you cantankerous old git, we’ve crossed swords many times, but I love you to bits, I always look forward to your posts, whether I agree with them or not, it’s always good for a dig on both sides, if by some miracle I ever got to OZ, you would be the first person I looked up.
You’ve always been Mr Obituary, you miserable git, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve written your own you, silly sod, but I don’t want to hear it for many years to come.
I reckon that if you put those crappy old film posters round your bed, the sheer misery of subconciously having to look at them will have you running round the hospital campus in no time.
Good luck old pal, I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Pete.
Hi
Just seen on the the UK tv channel 4 this afternoon 16 August this the film The Battle of Britain.
Crikey, it sounds as if you’ve not seen it or even heard of it before? If so what did you think, having been watching it regularly for the past 40 years, starting off at the premier all those years ago, you get blase and too familiar with it, I’d like to hear a fresh comment.
I’ve had the special edition set for a while, including the great little contemporary documentary featuring Michael Caine, well worth a purchase.
Somewhere I have a paperback that came out more or less when the film was released, I think it’s called, ‘Battle of Britain, the making of the Movie’, the cover being a replica of the film poster.
One question for all you oficianados out there regarding the destruction of the Hangar. The current hangars are I believe, listed Grade 2 on the preservation list, along with most of the buildings on the site. I often wondered whether any listing was in place during the period of the making of the film and whether the local authority were actually approached prior to it’s destruction, from memory, at that time, the fine was next to nothing for the destruction of an historic building, certainly pocket money for a major film company, was anybody on here working for South Cambs Planning at the time?
Yes I know, another Memphis Belle thread. I’ve looked back through the search facility at some of the pics from the actual filming, some of which are fantastic. My question is this –
Does anyone have a list of the 8 (?) B-17s involved in the filming, their fate and current wareabouts?
Thanks in advance, I’m sure someone will know
Steve
You cannot believe what it was like to be present at the making of this film, I’ve mentioned some of my experiences on previous threads, I was lucky enough to live and work locally, have flexible working hours and have a client, ‘in the know’.
There was no internet in those days to send you racing of to see what was happening, it was mainly a matter of luck.
I was fortunate enough to be working in Bishops Stortford, lunch hours involved a 20 minute drive up the M11, 20 minutes or rather stretching it a bit at DX then a 20 minute drive back. If things looked to be very interesting, I would inevitably go back in the evening, well I did most days anyway, it was an opportunity that I knew would never occur again, or will it?
I was pretty annoyed at being unable to attend Legends this year and seeing 3 B-17’s on the flightline, but having stood with 3 tearfull genuine American vets, just turning up to visit a museum and unaware that a film was being made and watching 5 B-17’s taxi in front of us for take off was something I’ll never forget, it was one of lifes unforgettable experiences.
The Shuttleworth Sea Hurricane must be high on the list of flyers. The wings are 95% original with only light repairs made during its return to flight and the spars are original. The fuselage steel tubes are also mostly original.
The aircraft that Hawker Restorations have produced in some cases have new wings and tubes, just fittings are re-used.
I have no doubt that ‘Last of the Many’ is the most original flyer.Richard
I recall seeing ‘Last of the Many’ at many airshows during the 50’s and 60’s, still in it’s original blue paintwork. Obviously, it was repainted for the BoB film, 40 years ago, but how much work has been done on it since, several colour schemes we know, but how much has been done to the airframe, knowing the enthusiasm of the BBMF for originality, probably not much, but let us not forget that this wonderful aircraft has been flying almost constantly since it was built in 1944, it must be in fact one of the most original, flying WW2 aircraft in existance, despite the fact that it never flew in combat.
I gather that Mr Tatchers Hurricane had more bits replaced than we thought, so what, it’s fantastic to see it flying, but I doubt whether it it compares to our Last of the Many in terms of originality.
Also aren’t windbreaks there to as the name suggests ‘break the wind’ so to speak, stop the person behind it being in the draft, breeze – howling gale. If that is the case I expect to see people camped the wrong side of them when the wind is coming from across the airfield and in their face, I doubt that this will happen somehow, so what is their point?? I think they are used more as a marking of territory. If it is a free country and I am free to arrive early and claim my acre along the crowd line then I am equally free to remove unused obstacles (chairs and windbreaks) from this public (for the show) land and set up camp after someone has claimed it but as far as I can tell not used it![/QUOTE]
So what happens if you are caught in the act of removing windbreaks and chairs set up by a bunch of Mafia Gorillas wanting a nice break away from the daily ritual of assassinations and kickings, not worth it pal, you don’t know who you are dealing with.
Many years ago, I used to meet my brother at Mildenhall Air Fete, as I travelled up from Essex and he used to come down from Nottingham, I always got there first. The crowd line at Air Fete was so vast, that I would put up my distinctive blue windbreak and little Union Jack and read the programme and crash out, well I would normally get there very early and need some time out to recover. Now, I don’t agree with this saving places stuff, but we always had an army of kids with us anyway, and someone was always around the ‘enclave’.
This particular year, my brother was a bit late arriving, the kids were grumbling, and the smell of the Polish sausage was wafting over us, we couldn’t bare it any longer and went off to the nearest barbie.
Meanwhile, my brother and his entourage arrived, found the distinctive windbreak and flag and crashed out in the chairs. Unfortunately it wasn’t mine, they were ejected very unceremoniously, and wandered down the flightline till they found us stuffing our faces with the ultimate grub. Good times, DX isn’t big enough to cope with that sort of thing though, it should be controlled, though this issue has been debated so many times before, it never gets anywhere, I know I will arrive at DX quite early and the crowdline will look like Bournemouth beach, it’s no fun anymore is it.
A very exciting day, a silver DH Rapide at very low level over the house, heading towards DX, followed by a Gryphon Spitfire an hour later, heading south.
Currently experiencing a very savage thunderstorm, no one would want to fly in these conditions.