1908’s massive success can be accounted for by the fact that only 22 Nations were involved, compared to some two hundred and odd taking part today.
Steve Ovett was saying yesterday that the success of the swimming and cycling teams was due to the fact that the coaching is done more by group than by individual. Not explaining this well I know but it seems that it is down to the fact that most of the cycling is done in Manchester with the cyclists getting together there to train regularly. Same with the swimming from what he was saying. The problem he sees with track and field is that the training is scattered across the Country. You have athletes training at their local clubs, but those who would be classed as elite aren’t centred in one place, therefore they often have only themselves to challenge. I suppose it would make good common sense for all the sprinters to train together regularly, the same with the long and middle distance runners and I suppose the field eventers. That way, they have other elite athletes to inspire them, rather than training more or less in isolation. That would require money and planning and I suppose it also brings into question the ‘amateur’ nature of some of the events, though that is already tainted by the inclusion of such commercial events as football and tennis.
They’ve done well. That can’t be argued. Whether there’s the will to put enough money into these sports to encourage further success in four years time we’ll have to wait and see.
Regards,
kev35
But has that not always been the case, why should things be different this year. I agree that the system seems unco-ordinated, but there has always been a well known, familiar athlete that has done the business, not anymore it seems, the media seems to be too obsessed with money making sports. Perhaps some of these footballers who earn more in a day than most of us do in a year should help out the athletes rather than spend it on their bloody kitchen tiles, they can always top up their earnings from exclusives to Hello Magazine if they feel that skint.
Perhaps they are arranging to fly it in for permanent retirement, don’t stand at the end of the runway folks.
Unfortunately, as far far as the Arnhem campaign was concerned, I’m sure that the General Staff were totally convinced from the outset that the Germans were so demoralised at that time, that they would totally collapse and that the whole affair would be a walkover, thats why some of your findings seem a little strange to you, along with driving the whole of XXX Corps more or less along a single road, expecting to roll all opposition before them without much of a fight.
My old man was in the forefront of the battle, he was an advanced artillery observer for Horrocks XXX Corps attack.
He encountered his worst battles of the war, mainly against SS troops prepared and well capable of giving the Allied troops a good kicking, whatever tactical decisions had been made beforehand, it meant nothing compared to what well seasoned German troops, no doubt happy to be away from the Russian Front, to be able to show what they were capable of.
In his stories he told to me, time and time again, he was saved from stupid orders from his British seniors to be rescued by American Airborne troops, wise to what was happenning.
The whole battle was an extension of Montgomery’s massive ego, it was badly planned and should never have taken place without proper forethought, many brave souls died because of that, it truly was a Bridge too Far.
Brit Girl has just won a Bronze in 400m hurdles, just missed out the Silver. Another medel for the Track and Field team.
Interesting, I’ve heard nothing but critism from Brendon Foster over the attitude of the British Athletics Association, he’s concerned that their attitude and lack of proper preparation is going to undermine the performance of the other athletes. He has a point, I’ve never seen such an underwhelming team in such an important games. At this stage of any Olympics we are usually looking for the stars of track and field to perform and drag us up the medals table, but apart from some possibly unexpected results, who do we know, where are the Coe’s, Ovetts, Holmes, Christies, in their time household names prior to any competitions. We haven’t got any have we, so why not. Whats happened. Poor Paula Radcliffe, a brilliant athlete in her time, was chucked into the arena while not fit, thank God she was shoved of to one side and we weren’t subjected to the overblown trauma of her inevitable, failure. It’s not her fault, I reckon that the powers that be wanted a famous name to encourage the public and she was subsequently bunged into the arena to keep the public happy. I’m surprised that Mr Coe hasn’t taken off his trousers and had a go himself, he might have done better than the poor sod chucked into the 1500m and run down because he wasn’t obviously coached properly.
If you want to have a go at me, I used to be a pretty nifty middle distance runner myself, I just wasn’t prepared to take on the world for a pittance, is that the problem that we have, with lottery money being doshed out for all sorts of pathetic causes, why should our track and field athletes have to rely on that leading up to the next games, it’s very sad.
Brit Girl has just won a Bronze in 400m hurdles, just missed out the Silver. Another medel for the Track and Field team.
Interesting, I’ve heard nothing but critism from Brendon Foster over the attitude of the British Athletics Association, he’s concerned that their attitude and lack of proper preparation is going to undermine the performance of the other athletes. He has a point, I’ve never seen such an underwhelming team in such an important games. At this stage of any Olympics we are usually looking for the stars of track and field to perform and drag us up the medals table, but apart from some possibly unexpected results, who do we know, where are the Coe’s, Ovetts, Holmes, Christies, in their time household names prior to any competitions. We haven’t got any have we, so why not. Whats happened. Poor Paula Radcliffe, a brilliant athlete in her time, was chucked into the arena while not fit, thank God she was shoved of to one side and we weren’t subjected to the overblown trauma of her inevitable, failure. It’s not her fault, I reckon that the powers that be wanted a famous name to encourage the public and she was subsequently bunged into the arena to keep the public happy. I’m surprised that Mr Coe hasn’t taken off his trousers and had a go himself, he might have done better than the poor sod chucked into the 1500m and run down because he wasn’t obviously coached properly.
If you want to have a go at me, I used to be a pretty nifty middle distance runner myself, I just wasn’t prepared to take on the world for a pittance, is that the problem that we have, with lottery money being doshed out for all sorts of pathetic causes, why should our track and field athletes have to rely on that leading up to the next games, it’s very sad.
I mentioned on another thread that I will look into having my ashes scattered at Duxford. I’ll need to rewrite it at some stage to make sure that my books for example don’t end up at a jumble and my die-cast collection doesn’t end up in the bin!
I’d look into donating them somewhere that they can be sold to benefit a museum as one idea (Midland Air Museum has a second hand section for example)
anybody else got anything planned (Ok ok, its morbid….) but it comes to us all !
Do you have a death wish or something. As long as it’s a cheap disposal, I couldn’t care less, whether I’m chucked on the runway at DX, bunged into the firebox of an A-4 Pacific or shot into space, it ain’t going to bring me back is it.
Interesting story, perhaps they had just illegally flown in a consignment of Polish sausage and top class burgers from Mildenhall, it would have needed presidential approval if there was any risk of them being contaminated with sand and hence ruined their quality for the generations to come.
Duxford was there and its even in my will to ask if they will have my asjes scattered there.
I like it, a lot !
Just make sure you do something with the jar.
My mate was taking his dog for a walk on !!!!!! beach very early last sunday morning and came across a washed up canister. Thinking it might be chemicals or explosives or whatever, he peered at the lid to find it inscribed with the name of a certain local Crematorium followed by some late gentlemans name.
Taking a chance he unscrewed the lid prior to taking it to the local police station, only to find it full of stones, it was obviously intended to follow it’s occupants mortal remains into the waves, but such is the power of the sea!!
So where to you want to be tipped out then, is this a service that DX provide, have you checked with them before making your will, when that container gets opened, there ain’t much left, and I can’t think of many cinder paths around DX that would accomodate it.
Lets not be morbid and look forward to a good, schoolkid friendly day out on Friday, with a lot of imput from our mates in the USAF.
Well done Big Verne, that really cracked me up!!!!!
My missus father is Hungarian, he escaped during the 56 uprising and hates the Russians with a vengeance, he is also very keen on sports, he subscribes to all the Sky sports channels.
Thing is, he hates the Chinese so much he reckons that they are such criminals that they shouldn’t host the games at all, so he won’t watch it, I tell him that we are ahead of his Russian foes, but he doesn’t want to know, he will not watch any of it on principle.
Silly sod.
Well done Big Verne, that really cracked me up!!!!!
My missus father is Hungarian, he escaped during the 56 uprising and hates the Russians with a vengeance, he is also very keen on sports, he subscribes to all the Sky sports channels.
Thing is, he hates the Chinese so much he reckons that they are such criminals that they shouldn’t host the games at all, so he won’t watch it, I tell him that we are ahead of his Russian foes, but he doesn’t want to know, he will not watch any of it on principle.
Silly sod.
I’ve said before that I can’t knock the admission price to DX, it’s not only comparable to other attractions, but kids up to 15 are free, that really makes a difference to a family day out, big time, and I challenge anyone to find an alternative venue that does that.
My only query is why it’s free to get into Lambeth and IWM North, some of this museum pricing is a mystery to me. Not as bad as many years ago when some particular government decided to charge admission to all museums, prepared to install expensive ticket machines, lost the election, the new government, whichever side it was, chucked them all out, I remember going to the British Museum and seeing all these state of the art ticket machines waiting to go in the skip.
I was thinking of going up to Notty next week on a family trip, it’s interesting to see how Notts County Council have such fantastic attractions as Wollaton Hall, Rufford Abbey and top of the list, Sherwood Forest visitor centre, all they do is charge a standard car parking fee of £2:50 all day and thats it, what a bargain for a big family with a big car wanting a day out in such stunning places.
Looking at whats to do at American Air Day on friday, is £2:00 on top of the normal admission fee that much of a nightmare, and please note that all kids are still free. I’m sure that our American pals are doing this for nothing as a self promotion exercise, and there’s nowt wrong with that.
Go up there and enjoy yourselves, my Goth youth might take some convincing, but we’ll see, he likes Yanks!!!!
Amazing, good on you girl, I watched it live and I was in tears, I thought this might happen when I saw her in the heats, she’s the absolute dogs, go and give the other track athletes a good talking too, I’m sure she will, though they might not need it.
I’ve looked up the statistics, we haven’t done this well since 1908 when we had the advantage of hosting the games, though 56 golds is a bit over the top, can’t work that one out, but 16 so far is beyond dreams, I love it, I always get really into the Olympics whether we do well or not, this year is very special, it might go certain birds up, but it’s given us alot of fun neverthess, whatever happens next doesn’t matter really, we’ve done well so far, as as as I’m concerned, it’s been way beyond expectations.
Amazing, good on you girl, I watched it live and I was in tears, I thought this might happen when I saw her in the heats, she’s the absolute dogs, go and give the other track athletes a good talking too, I’m sure she will, though they might not need it.
I’ve looked up the statistics, we haven’t done this well since 1908 when we had the advantage of hosting the games, though 56 golds is a bit over the top, can’t work that one out, but 16 so far is beyond dreams, I love it, I always get really into the Olympics whether we do well or not, this year is very special, it might go certain birds up, but it’s given us alot of fun neverthess, whatever happens next doesn’t matter really, we’ve done well so far, as as as I’m concerned, it’s been way beyond expectations.
Well don’t worry Finland, one of the worlds greatest nations, India, has only one medal so far, I’m amazed, perhaps they should put their money into their people rather than their nuclear weapons programme, it’s ridiculous and must be embarrasing for the multitudes that must be interested in these games.
Do we have an Indian member who can comment on this.
Incidentally, I’m really impressed that our so called no hoper has just won a silver medal in the high jump, it gives us confidence, anything could happen after this, it’s the same old story, once the tidal wave gets going, who knows where medals will come from, as long as it isn’t Australia, Steve.
Well don’t worry Finland, one of the worlds greatest nations, India, has only one medal so far, I’m amazed, perhaps they should put their money into their people rather than their nuclear weapons programme, it’s ridiculous and must be embarrasing for the multitudes that must be interested in these games.
Do we have an Indian member who can comment on this.
Incidentally, I’m really impressed that our so called no hoper has just won a silver medal in the high jump, it gives us confidence, anything could happen after this, it’s the same old story, once the tidal wave gets going, who knows where medals will come from, as long as it isn’t Australia, Steve.