Pete TrumanMaybe somebody can answer this one. It has been claimed that the ‘armoured train’ run on the RH&DR ‘claimed a Messerschmitt’ during the war.
The wonderful story (and it probably is just that) is that the enemy aircraft misjudged its height and crashed while attempting to strafe the ‘small but perfectly formed’ steam locomotive.
Although the ‘armoured train’ was armed with a couple of Lewis guns I doubt that they would have managed to shoot it down but I suppose it is possible.
Go on the RHDR website, look on the history page and you’ll see a wonderful picture of the armoured train, it looks to be more potently equiped than just a few Lewis guns, I haven’t looked further into the incident, but looking at that picture, and it’s only part of the train, I wouldn’t doubt what they could have brought down, especially if it was low flying.
Pete TrumanApologies.
If it is moveable on wheels and it is not a dwelling…. (ie. Caravan)
Parking an aircraft on a car park could not really be argued to be a material change of use, though some awkward jobsworth might claim so, safe in the knowledge that if it came to a resolution in court it is the council tax payers, not he/she who would have to find the legal costs
Moggy
With all due respect, stick to your day job Moggy and don’t think about going there, planning is a minefield in the wrong hands, it does my head in after 40 years in the business.
Pete TrumanI have a bit of an interest in warships, what defeats me is how a relatively large, modern, 6inch gun armoured cruiser allowed itself to be trapped and sunk by what must have been a converted, lightly armoured merchant ship.
Before I spotted this thread, I knew nothing of this battle, what exactly happened, or don’t we know for sure, presumably the Kormoran was flying a flag of convenience, got in close and caught them by surprise with a few well placed torpedoes, assuming the Sydney got in enough fire power to sink the Kormoran before it went down, I’m surprised that all hands were lost.
Without searching the web, is this one of the great mysteries of the sea.
Pete TrumanI have a bit of an interest in warships, what defeats me is how a relatively large, modern, 6inch gun armoured cruiser allowed itself to be trapped and sunk by what must have been a converted, lightly armoured merchant ship.
Before I spotted this thread, I knew nothing of this battle, what exactly happened, or don’t we know for sure, presumably the Kormoran was flying a flag of convenience, got in close and caught them by surprise with a few well placed torpedoes, assuming the Sydney got in enough fire power to sink the Kormoran before it went down, I’m surprised that all hands were lost.
Without searching the web, is this one of the great mysteries of the sea.
Pete TrumanIf it is moveable on wheels planning permission is not required.
Moggy
Sorry, not true, otherwise every caravan site would be laughing, having said that, it may be worth consulting with your local Pykies.
Pete TrumanPersonally, if the aeroplane is reasonably moveable, I would be tempted just to get on with it, and keep a low profile, as much as you can when running a jet fighter (?) round a car park!
You can be certain that the planning wallahs will have fifty fits, demand an environmental audit, a noise-impact assessment, a toxic deposits study and everyone for 30 miles will have to wear a hi-viz jacket. Not to mention the £900,000,000 insurance cover. Plus, if you are doing any live weapons firing, that will only make it worse.
The scope for accidents is huge, from ingesting fod, running people over, or even a slip of the throttle, and powering into someone’s house. Better to stick to tied-doen engine runs.
Sounds good to me, I bet that Building Control will require a flood plain assesment as well, even if it is several thousand feet above sea level and 2km from the nearest water course, anything to protect that pension.
Pete TrumanBattle of Britian/West Country Class are my favorite locos one of them being the well know 34067 Tangmere which runs on the main line 😀 . I also cant wait to see Southern Locomotives 34070 Manston which is due to run soon again after overhaul But I think this will also be its first run since the end of BR ?:D Cant wait for Tornado to be on the main line that would be great if an RAF Tonka did a fly past 😀 So now we have an A1 A2 A3 & A4 the whole set 😎 Makes you wonder what other projects can be started to make locos back from the dead I heard there plans to bring back an N8
Its a great year for A1 Tornado & 34070 Manston and any other locos due back this year 😎
James
Sorry, but what is an N8?
Projects I know of are an ex LMS Patriot, GWR Saint, Grange and County, GER 0-4-2, Standard 2-6-2 tank, Standard Clan Pacific ‘Hengist’. Many of these involved are using bits from locos recovered from Barry Scrapyard, for instance the County will have altered GWR Hall frames and an LMS 8F boiler.
Nice one is a reconstruction of LBSCR Atlantic, ‘Beachy Head’, based around an original boiler found while demolishing an old paper works just down the road from where I live.
I am now scratching my head to think of a way of keeping this on an aviation thread, all I can think of is that the number of BoB pacifics being brought back from the dead seems to increase every month.
Pete TrumanBattle of Britian/West Country Class are my favorite locos one of them being the well know 34067 Tangmere which runs on the main line 😀 . I also cant wait to see Southern Locomotives 34070 Manston which is due to run soon again after overhaul But I think this will also be its first run since the end of BR ?:D Cant wait for Tornado to be on the main line that would be great if an RAF Tonka did a fly past 😀 So now we have an A1 A2 A3 & A4 the whole set 😎 Makes you wonder what other projects can be started to make locos back from the dead I heard there plans to bring back an N8
Its a great year for A1 Tornado & 34070 Manston and any other locos due back this year 😎
James
Sorry, but what is an N8?
Projects I know of are an ex LMS Patriot, GWR Saint, Grange and County, GER 0-4-2, Standard 2-6-2 tank, Standard Clan Pacific ‘Hengist’. Many of these involved are using bits from locos recovered from Barry Scrapyard, for instance the County will have altered GWR Hall frames and an LMS 8F boiler.
Nice one is a reconstruction of LBSCR Atlantic, ‘Beachy Head’, based around an original boiler found while demolishing an old paper works just down the road from where I live.
I am now scratching my head to think of a way of keeping this on an aviation thread, all I can think of is that the number of BoB pacifics being brought back from the dead seems to increase every month.
Pete TrumanThere are so many questions to ask, it may be worth you sending me a PM or E-mail with more details including an address, site plan and the local authority concerned and I’ll give you a bit of free advice.
If the private car park, whatever that means, is within the curtilage of a Listed Building, or a conservation area, you will probably be stuffed!!!!
I don’t know where you live, but it’s usually possible to surf the LA site to find out on line what type of permissions may have been given in the area, and what problems they may have had in getting them, but leave that one to me.
I would suggest you contact me before approaching the planning authorities concerned, most of them these days seem to be too keen to protect their pensions and are reticent about giving binding advice on the phone or by letter.
Bottom line appears to me to be that you will probably need planning permission and I’m sorry to say it could be a problem.
Incidentally, I see you come from Swad, does that mean Swadlincote, if so I’ve never had anything to do with that authority for many years I’m afraid.
By the way, it’s not a Vulcan is it, I’d like to see one of those run up in a planning department car park, jet exhausts facing windows, that would tear the b#####s away from their computers and get them to do some proper work.
Pete TrumanSo whats the aircraft in the pics?
Read the caption!!!
Pete TrumanOnly photographs I’m afraid, but they are totally original, my old man found them in Germany after crossing the Rhine in 1945 and I have published some of them before, you may be interested if you haven’t seen them though, I have more. I’d love someone to come out of the woodwork and be able to tell me who some of them are, family members perhaps, Molders I know of, of course.
I’d really like to know who the characters are in the last picture, it’s un-titled, but as the rest of the pictures are from the Calais area of France, 1940, and it looks like a railway works, any idea, don’t you just love the bloke in the middle with the fag.
Pete TrumanThanks for the info, Pete, the GCR is now on the list to visit on my next trip to the UK! I presume that Tornado will still be there around the time of Legends, as the schedule to start main line running is not until September.
Not sure about that, if Tornado is due to appear at York at the end of May, beginning of June, and has succesfully run it’s trials, it could go anywhere, possibly NYMR, finding out details of events on railway websites is like banging your head on the wall.
I might have to make an excuse to visit my mother during the trials, the GCR is the only mainline double track preserved railway in the country, hence it’s ability to be used for high speed testing, not that the public is supposed to be allowed access though, Health and Safety, but plenty of public bridges.
Actually, I think Tornado should be at Legends, they used to have that little tank engine from Singapore, the one with Japanese bullet holes, sitting on a piece of track outside the AAM. One great big Pacific sitting on a piece of track in the same place sounds a great idea, it’s been done before with the regular appearance of Flying Scotsman at a local traction engine rally near Buxton, pair it up with a parked up GR4, not exactly TFC, but loads of publicity for all concerned.
Airshow organisers take note.
Pete TrumanThanks for the info, Pete, the GCR is now on the list to visit on my next trip to the UK! I presume that Tornado will still be there around the time of Legends, as the schedule to start main line running is not until September.
Not sure about that, if Tornado is due to appear at York at the end of May, beginning of June, and has succesfully run it’s trials, it could go anywhere, possibly NYMR, finding out details of events on railway websites is like banging your head on the wall.
I might have to make an excuse to visit my mother during the trials, the GCR is the only mainline double track preserved railway in the country, hence it’s ability to be used for high speed testing, not that the public is supposed to be allowed access though, Health and Safety, but plenty of public bridges.
Actually, I think Tornado should be at Legends, they used to have that little tank engine from Singapore, the one with Japanese bullet holes, sitting on a piece of track outside the AAM. One great big Pacific sitting on a piece of track in the same place sounds a great idea, it’s been done before with the regular appearance of Flying Scotsman at a local traction engine rally near Buxton, pair it up with a parked up GR4, not exactly TFC, but loads of publicity for all concerned.
Airshow organisers take note.
Pete TrumanNo need for new A-4s, as well as Mallard at the NRM there are now three currently in steam, with a plan for all four of them to meet up later this year!
Thanks for the photos and update. I too have followed this project from day one, and am highly impressed by what has been achieved. Didn’t know about the potential attempt on Mallard’s record, though.
As the new high speed line to the Channel Tunnel is not running to full capacity yet, ie, the Javelins won’t be running for a while, the authorities seem to be quite keen on a record attempt while there is plenty of pathing, all good for publicity isn’t it.
Presumably, as Tornado is brand new with a few modern tweaks to the original design as well, it would have to be your boy, only 126mph to beat, hopefully the escorting Tonkas could keep up.
Pete TrumanNo need for new A-4s, as well as Mallard at the NRM there are now three currently in steam, with a plan for all four of them to meet up later this year!
Thanks for the photos and update. I too have followed this project from day one, and am highly impressed by what has been achieved. Didn’t know about the potential attempt on Mallard’s record, though.
As the new high speed line to the Channel Tunnel is not running to full capacity yet, ie, the Javelins won’t be running for a while, the authorities seem to be quite keen on a record attempt while there is plenty of pathing, all good for publicity isn’t it.
Presumably, as Tornado is brand new with a few modern tweaks to the original design as well, it would have to be your boy, only 126mph to beat, hopefully the escorting Tonkas could keep up.
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