Cees
are you referring to the skin panel on the right side of the nose? looks like a band-aid of metal.?
Peter,
Here are some pics from Eric Dumigans site:
Note the framing in front of the pilot as well as the skinning near the perspex nose cone. This should be a very distinctive three part section (both sides) which clearly shows the modifications when they removed the noseturret from the B Mk II and developed first the Tollerton fairing for the Specials and then the streamline persped nose.
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Cees
Cees,
I used to work with an ex “erk” who served at a M.U. which received brand new Lancasters for preparation for the Squadrons.
I was interested in how the aircraft industry could churn out huge numbers of such complex machines using relatively unskilled labour from the local workforce, so I asked him about quality and finish on them.
“Shocking” was his reply. And this view is occasionally borne out in a few of the many photos I’ve studied over the years.
Perhaps with NA337 it’s been a question of achieving a deadline by taking a few shortcuts. Nothing which can’t be put right once the ceremonial stage has passed.
Alan,
True. In sixteen years of aircraft recovery I have seen examples of shoddy workmanship and shortcuts but that was due to the pressures of war. But when a factory has geared up for production the standard of workman (or woman)ship is generally similar but can vary between different factories. The English Electric produces Halifaxes had a better performans than the London Transport Production Group which were dubbed London buses.
But a restoration is purely that, to bring an airframe back to its original condition so skinpanels made up and riveted into position in the factory shoule be reproduced (when lost or beyond restoration) otherwise it wil distract from the endresult. And as you state correctly, when finished the chance that corrections will be carried out are non-existent.
Simon, Hurricanes never had wooden wings
Cheers
Cees
To celebrate this wonderful occasion, I must dig out two of my favourite bomber novels, Johnny Kinsman and Maximum Effort.
Both written convincingly by authors who had “been there and done it”, and both written around Halifax crews rather than Lancaster ones.
But I’m a bit confused and intrigued by this sentence, Cees:-
Are you suggesting that shortcuts have been taken or (I hope) are you merely stating that the forum shouldn’t play host to unwarranted criticism of the restoration work?
Alan,
A bit of both actually. In the first few comments of this thread there are already some assumptions about the aircraft :rolleyes: I chose not to respond to these as it tend to lead an life of itself which can be perpetuated in years to come (remember the Hurricane’s wooden wings myth that was repeated over and over by FP in the early years).
Apart from that some shortcuts (although minor in general) have been made noticeably the skinning of the nose section and the cockpit framing in front of the pilot, which is too crude. The latter does distract from the appearance of the aircraft but is usually unnoticed apart from the anoraks (am I?). But IMHO it was unnecessary as all the drawings are available and this part of the windscreen was undamaged when NA337 was brought up.
But she is magnificent, let there be no doubt about it.
Cheers
Cees
some more
Photo’s taken by Peter Campbell of Toronto, Ontario.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
Cees
I’ve been away for some days and I almost missed this post. But I’m happy that I did take a look here. The hard work on this Halifax has resulted in a historicly important masterpiece. Thanks for posting these pics.
Very Nice!
Stieglitz
I couldn’t agree with you more Stieglitz.
I hope that over a periode of time people will not discover the shortcuts taken with this restoration and start slagging off the work in a similar fashion as YAM’s Hally :rolleyes: :diablo:
I still haven’t heard if they have fitted the Hercules nose case and propeller hub I got from the south of Holland and was transported through a very friendly touring car company through New Castle via Ian Foster of 57Rescue and then on to Trenton. You should have seen the faces of my neighbours when an enormous British touring car would back into my rather narrow street to collect the parts. :p
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Cees
Much as I love the A-20 , I would be great to see the B-25H rescued and restored that was/is languishing out there.
Dave,
Which one are you referring to?
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Cees
Atmospheric shot
as received from Karl Kjarsgaard.
What a beauty
Cees
Magic,
Good show by the RAAF to take all that trouble to recover so many airframes. Wonder if they would like to do it again.
There was also a Ki-61 Tony but the tail had been stolen when the RAAF came to collect it while shortly before it had been complete. What happened to that one?
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Cees
Wetaskiwin had the following airframes MkI 652A, MkII 11567 and MkV 12477…
Could the Anson be one of these?
Forget about that Anson, let’s have some more pics of NA337
Keep on topic please 😀 :dev2:
Cees
It’s good to know that interesting and rare bits still turn up at Aerojumbles, even though attendances from stallholders and the buying public are well down on previous years.
Here’s a Canadian built Lancaster Flight Engineer’s Panel, bought at Whitwick yesterday. A bargain at the price, even if incomplete.
Those GEC gauges are super rare over here and I need two each of the Rad Temp and Oil Temp gauges (fluorescent scheme) to finish the panel.
Have any of our Canadian forumites got a lead on any? Thanks in advance!
Alan,
I have said it before and will say it again. You lucky b….. man
Well done. a nice addition to your collection
Cheers
Cees
Before I forget, don’t you all think how nice that nose perspex looks? Hope they have made one for YAM as well. Well that was at least the plan some years ago. Would give their Halifax a better looks as well.
2005, year of the Halifax!!!!!!!!
Cees (jumping up and down with excitement)
Yes yes I know, a bit late but isn’t she…
😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 :eek:What a beauty
Ahh, Halifax
Cees
WOW.
That Weihe is in amazing condition. Regarding the survivor of the crash, I believe it would be appropriate to restore the aircraft once it is recovered back to its original markings, as a tribute to the fallen… despite having flown for the wrong side, they were still human beings and their loss made an impact on their friends and families.
Just my opinion, mind you…
Lynn
I agree Lynn,
get it out and have it properly restored. What’s the use lying in the lake till the year 2000 and dot.
Cheers
Cees
I wonder if this is one of the Canadian Hurricane airframes believed to be owned by Robert Schneider, Hawkins, Texas. He built up the static example for the Cavanaugh Flight Museum, Addison, Texas
Dennis
What is the complete story about this person? At one time it was reported that he had five Hurricanes under restoration, but there have been no photo’s of the airframes as far as I know. Where have they all gone or does he still have them?
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Cees
Cees, I am so sad that I coudn’t make it over for that. Still, I’ve instructed KK that copious pics will be required and he has agreed to provide some 🙂
Thanks Linzee,
I guess we will be there in spirit then won’t we? 😉
Cheers
Cees