RAF pilots really knows how to go low and fast 😎
Everytime, I read the Eagle as the king of air superiority role. Well, all of the kills were made against not well trained AFs, and i´m including not only USAF, but IAF and RSAF. The SH is an advanced aircraft but not only for air to air role, but, I think that SH can perform well, in A2A, against any fighter around, if well flown.
I think Continental Airlines is the main user of the type.
The NJ ANG F-16 and the formation of F15s and F/A-22 is amazing, definitely come to my wallpaper collection 😎
Mpacha, tks for the info.
Regards
The article was wrote by Maj. Lawrence Spinneta, an F-15 driver with a tour at Lakenheat and at the time was an instructor at Tyndall AFB. He now in a staff job at Pentagon.
He compared the performance of the Super Hornet with the Eagle. He tends, of course, for the Eagle, as he told that the SH cannot match the Eagle in Air to Air role, but SH has its tricks. As the jet has not enough power, it compensates with the high AOA to put it in a good position to shoot down an enemy. He was impressed with its avionics, handling qualities and specially the ride in which the US Navy pilot shown him how to “land” (controlled crash) and some other tricks.
One other interesting thing ( i never kenw that), is the complete different way that USN and USAF flies. Combat formations are different, type of communications.
At the end he was pretty impressed with the performance of the SH, the skill of USN pilots, mostly young ones, fresh from RAG, and he is glad that all plays in the same team.
Regards,
“The Cheetah E was withdrawn from SAAF service in 1993. Yes, the Cheetah C will most likely be around for a few years, but in much smaller numbers.”
Mpacha,
I heard that SAAF offered some Cheetahs to Brazil to fill the gap with the retirement of the Mirage III. Do you have some info on that. Probably could be the E model.
Regards,
70 million is too high for a fighter. SU-35 fits best for FAB needs and taking consideration the size of Brazil. Imagine to patrol the entire amazon region which is almost large than Europe. But, in terms of cost, a used one is better, i prefer the F-16 but i also heard that SAAF offered some surplus Cheetahs.
Regards,
According to specialized press, the price is US$ 70 million, too high.
“How many used Flankers do we have available that have been well maintained (after going into storage) and have flawless maintenance records to look at? Furthermore they would need an upgrade.”
I did not think about that and makes total sense.
I´m still, as i mentioned in various posts, prefer a used one, a good one, and looking at the market, the best available must be the dutch F16s, i also heard that Belgium will put more MLUs in storage and could be good as well.
FAB officials have spoken about this option but no decision and official comments on that.
“Since I couldn’t find that magazine here in my city, can someone please post that article, or point some link, that I can read that report.’
Hi, Marcelo, i have the magazine, if you want i can send it.
The article was wrote by an F-15 pilot that was an instructor at Tyndall AFB when he “fought” against Super Hornets (F model) from VFA-102 at NAS Key West. He descirbed his flight in the back seat of the Super Hornet, worth a read, very interesting.
Regards
“[QUOTE=SOC]What about getting used FLANKERs upgraded to Su-27SM standard from Russia as a precursor to an Su-35 purchase? I’d bet they’d come rather cheap. I still think the Su-35 is an interesting option, especially given the assistance the Russians are offering with regard to space programs in Brazil. The main advantage the Su-35 has over the other aircraft is range-Brazil is a big country, and you’d need far less of them to maintain coverage of all of the airspace.
[I like the idea of second hand Flankers Su-27’s! /QUOTE]”
This could be a possibility and very interesting because probably the used Flankers have low fying hours. But i don´t think that FAB are considering such option. The proposal from Sukhoi is very good in terms of off-sets and development of the space program tragically interrupted because of the last year´s explosion at the base of Alcantara.
But, there are lots of politicians that prefers to see Embraer on the project as the main contractor (Mirage 2000Br).
Regards,
“Yes, the Cheetahs are intended as spares for already converted aircraft.
A-29 if it is not true, then where have the Cheetah’s gone? They are no longer in storage at Pbg.”
Mpacha, it is really a surprise for me. How many Cheetahs are in service with SAAF. I think that they will remain for a couple more years until the introduction of the Gripen.
Regards
FIDAE 1994
“I think the best solution is getting the used F-16MLUs. They are quite close to the M2k5 capability wise and costs much less. They would be sufficent for a decade at least. In a decade from today. And then the Brazilians will also have to search for an F-5 replacement. Which would mean a larger buy and not only 12 planes which would be a legacy force when the other planes need to be replaced.”
The purpose of the FX program is to acquire almost 120 jets, but, initially will be only 12 to replace FAB Mirage III. The company that wins the competition will provide that number but in at least 15 years or so. As the fleet of F-5s and AMXs will get major upgrades, they can be in service for at least another 15 years and then being replaced.
But, i agree with you and i defend this position to buy a used fighter such as the dutch F-16MLU.
Regards,
“A-29; You’re probably not far off with your Cheetah comment. It is probably the same Israeli mods used on the Cheetah E. [b]Especially since Chile has bought a number of Cheetah E’s to use as spares for the Pantera[b].”
I never knew that Chile brought a couple of Cheetahs, I don´t think this is true. Cheetahs are very capable aircraft and if Chile had taken it will be useful to increase the fleet and give extra air defense capability and not only for spare parts.
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