“But having in mind what you say, I think it could be transition aircraft. Sure it’s not a not a “classic” M50, my mistake, but neither a classic Pantera.”

If i´m not wrong the jet number 514 was the first one to upgrade as Pantera and the photo should be somewhere in the middle of the upgrade. Can anyone confirm that?

Regards

Another interesting data that i found…..a 3D drawing with the camo applied on the Panteras. Good source for modellers.

“c’mon condor, i’m betting a pack of 6 cold beers you can get it… “
I´m in with another pack 😀

My friend Camaro, that will be nice, right? 😀
Let´s see if Condor can get that. I have the magazine, a pic taken from above with the grass below both four jets, different camos, really nice shot.
Saludos

“like the Mirage 2000 too, but not for the price Dassault is asking for, it’s just too much for something that has a few Rafale components, heck, in some cases I think the Rafale has been offered to be cheaper! Rumors also have it that Dassault is unwilling to give a full transfer of technology as well.”
That´s the reason why Dassault lost breath in the contest and Flanker aswell as Gripen are ahead.

“F-16 MLU will probably not be the only option for a lease.
You might want to check out the deal that the Czech Republic got when they decided to go for swedish Jas-39 Gripen C/D instead of F-16’s from USA or BeNeLux. Instead of twenty years old F-16’s with a lot of flight hours they got brand new Gripens and a offset deal at about 100% or so.”
If FAB can get the same deal, with a good price, thats really nice. Gripen is also a good plane and can fullfil our needs, if you take our scenario which is totally different from USA and Europe.
The pressure for the Mirage 2000 is enormous because of embraer and probably not even in this year the government will decide who will win.

Regards

“Remember that purchasing brand new Gripens will result in a huge off-set consisting of export of Brazilian goodies, new investiments in Brazil by Swedish corporations as well as transfer of technology in system’s engineering.

All of this would probably be left aside in case we decide to lease/purchase used fighters.”

I know that and this is very good and also valid for the M2000, Flanker and Viper proposals. As our economy becomes stronger the investments will come with or without the FX.
The FX became more political than technical and this is not too good. We don´t know if these off-sets will happen or not. I´m not comfortable with that (my personal opinion).

Regards,

“tend to agree with my bro, A-29 “hot-dog”
dutch F-16MLU will make more sense to me, sure they have mirages but remember, Mirage is 60’s engineering, while F-16 its 70’s engineering, i mean ideas and solutions 10 years younger (or less old?). as it is, is an awesome weapon and it has quite a lot of potential for growth.
i saw them myself and they’re inmaculate. (maintenance wise)”
Tks brother. Dutch F-16s are fully upgraded and can carry all the modern weapons available for it. If FAB will use all of them, man this is another history 🙂