Condor,
I´m sorry if i ofend you saying 200 years instead of 125. For a college test or something related is a quite remarkable mistake, but, not for this thread.
“Bolivia used to acces the sea long ago, buy that doesn’t mean in any terms they “own” those territories of the coastline…”
Long ago when was Bolivian territory that Chile incorporated after the war.
Regards,
Bug Lover, i still prefer this paint scheme on the Tomcat.
US Agent,
“A) Brazil has not even made a decision on a new fighter…let alone signed a contract yet .”
Yes, but the three front runners are very capable against any operational fighter around
“B) Venezuela’s upgrade is in the ‘toilet’ due to bad relations with the US at the moment.”
That´s the reason why they move toward Israel to upgrade their F-16s
“C) Peru’s aircraft are in very poor shape…not too mention lacking advanced systems.”
I agree with you
“D) Argentina does have a pretty capable A-4AR, but the A-4AR is not as capable as the F-16C Blk 50+.”
Is not capable but can give a hard time to F-16s.
Regards,
Condor,
“Why not, A-29???”
Attrition replacements could be.
Wolf,
“Yes, but even the Flanker System (if Brazil buy those birds) will not be modern than Falcons Block 50+, in the other hand, Brazil “are upgrading”, the Fach already done that many years ago…..I remember you that Fach’s F-5 Fleet Tiger III Standard are Python 4/Derby capable including HMS.”
The Flankers offered to Brazil is the ultimate version of the SU-35. If you read the data related to, you will find that it is more than capable to defeat the Viper in any aspect. To say at least, can carry more weapons, can go longer, equally or more manouverable. Yes, you are correct, the fleet of fach F-5 is fully upgraded, but, very, very often Chilean F-5 pilots are coming to Brazil to qualify on the type (i guess, lack of two seaters). Text got from FAB website.
“O Primeiro Esquadrão do Décimo Quarto Grupo de Aviação (1°/14°GAV), Esquadrão Pampa, estará ministrando instrução a dois pilotos da aeronave F-5 da Força Aérea Chilena até o dia 29 de maio. Translating
The First squadron of the 14th group Pampa squadron is given instruction to two Chilean F-5 pilots until May 29th.
Essa instrução começou na terça-feira, dia 25 de maio, e faz parte de um intercâmbio operacional entre a Força Aérea Brasileira e a Força Aérea Chilena
This exchange started on Tuesday May 25th and is part of an exchange agreement between FAB and Fach.
By 2006 the entire fleet of FAB F-5 will be upgraded.
“Venezuelan Falcons are F-16 A’s (Block 15????) so older and the Argentinian Ar-A4 please….they will be BVR capability some day? i don’t think so…..”
Venezuelan F-16s are getting upgrade from the Israelis. The Argentinian A-4s lacks BVR capability, i agree that they will not get it, but, they still very capable.
“May be in modern Aircraft we could say that the Peruvian’s Mig-29 with R77 Archer capability could front the “Actual” BVR capability of the Fach but nobody knows if the 3 Migs with this capability are operational.”
I agree.
Regards,
Condor,
“A-29, you are not well informed. It wasn’t because the Straight of Beagle. It was because Argentina denied the results of an international and neutral arbitration for the possesion of three chilean islands near the Beagle channel, three islands they were claiming as theirs. Nevertheless, the argentinians (and chileans, indeed) accepted to go ahead for the international arbitration, but when they knew the result (logically) favored Chile, they rejected it. That was the origin for the tensions in 1978”
Well, this was Straight of Beagle as you mentioned “…..islands near the Beagle channel”.
“The war was not two centuries ago, A-29. It was 125 years ago, and Bolivia never had sovereing titles over the Pacific Ocean coast nor a territory on their posession in that area. Thus, Bolivia never has sovereing access to the Pacific Ocean. (You should read about the formation of the South American states in the 19th century to understand this…)
As for the “part of the sea that originally was part of Bolivia”, well A29…there are some misundersandings here again too.
There was chilean people living and working there for decades and Chile officially incorporated these territories after Bolivia and Peru declared the war in 1879 (both northern countries signed a secret pact to fight against Chile, before the war even started), war that Chile finally won in 1884.
You surely know that Chile and Bolivia signed a Peace Treaty in 1904. All the differences between the two countries -geographics and boundaries too- were sealed and fixed by this treaty.
Current bolivian claimings over the Pacific basically obeys to the unstable political scenario of the country, plagued with corruption and political injustice and theft, where the nationalists (and vague) claimings are the sole factor of unity in that nation, blinded by false promises of progress and better times, made by their political leaders, headed by their president.”
I made the mistake not to write exactly in years, but 125 years or 200 years is long ago anyway.
If Chile incorporated officially these territories, based on what? If because a war between Bolivia and Peru, Chile stole the part of the sea that was territory from Bolivia and finally with the peace agreement, Chile got definitive possesion on that. So, Bolivia had sea territory in the past.
I agree with you that Bolivia is unstable, a corrupt country etc…but, the claim makes sense according to history. we know that they will not get anything, but, make sense.
Regards.
I got these infos from two sources
http://www.acid.org and http://www.airtoaircombat.com
The only victory, as far as i know, was against an F-18 Hornet in which then Lt.Cmdr Michael Speicher went down and still missing.
The list of losses is below. Please correct me if i´m wrong.
During Operation Peace for Galilee, the Israeli incursion into Lebanon in June of 1982, Israeli aircraft succeeded in destroying no less than 92 Syrian fighters during operations between June 5 and June 12 over the Bekaa Valley. Israeli F-15s were responsible for a large fraction of these victories, with F-16s and Kfirs being responsible for the remainder. At least three of these victories were against MiG-25s, which were shot down by using zoom climb for “snap-up” intercepts by Sparrow missiles.
13-Feb-81 Benyamin Zinker F-15A MiG-25 Syria
29-Jul-81 Sha’ul Simon F-15A MiG-25 Syria
31-Aug-82 Sha’ul Simon F-15C MiG-25 Syria
US
19Jan91 58TFS/33TFW R.Tollini F-15C/85-0101 AIM-7M MiG-25PD 1 sqn IrAF
27Dec92 F-16″C” downs a MiG-25 with AIM-120
I don´t believe that they will buy more F-16s, not in near future.
“do u know what the deal is potentialy worth in terms of aquired fighters…….10 is surely not enough (i would think)”
In my opinion, a minimum of 24 jets.
“This Fighters will become the most modern and letal Air Weapon System in South America continuing with the leadership in systems of the FACH in this region.”
I don´t think so. Brazil are upgrading its fleet of fighters, acquiring a brand new one (I hope the Flanker which is more than a match for F-16s).
Venezuela is upgrading its fleet of F-16s and have more than 20 years experience on it. Peru has a respectful fleet of fighters and even Argentina with its A-4AR Fightinghawk (Mini F-16) which is still very capable. Also, ten jets is a very small number.
Regards,
Distiller,
Is not Peru, Chile has, at least, in the past some troubles with Argentina. In the eighties, before the Falklands, both almost went to war because of the Straight of Beagle, bordering the two countries. Thanks to the Pope, both choose for a peaceful agreement. The rivalry between them is historical.
Bolivia, two centuries ago, lost its coast to Chile and recently, on a meeting between South American leaders, Bolivian President have requested to Chilean government the part of the sea that originally was part of Bolivian territory. The answer was a tremendous NO.
Regards,
“Anyone taken the time and/or care to actually ask a F-14 pilot what s/he thinks of the SH?
Instead we all have our preconcieved notions and droll on and on into super borenetdom.”
You can find an interesting article comparing both on http://www.flightjournal.com/articles/f14f18/f14f18_1.asp
Regards,
They already have….a historic one, is just across the border.
“No more VF units? Everything VFA?”
No more, this is sad.
Gui, tks for the info