Hi Steve and John,
I vividly remember the arrival of XD145 at Brize Norton, on a trailer at the top of the MT yard! I even came down to the restoration shed to see it ‘close up’ as a member of 2267 (Brize Norton) Sqn ATC one evening, as it was virtually the next shed down from our ATC HQ! I seem to remember that the cockpit was quite complete then, though the seat was removed and one or two instruments missing. I can remember the complete column being in place and the rudder pedals being very similar to the Hunter, great big foot plates!
Oh for a time machine!
Martyn
GYD
Hi Tony
Just sent you an e-mail with that picture and another from my erratic archive!
Martyn
Brand new ‘old’ stock Mosquito throttle box but, with a 21st Century hefty price tag!!
GYD
Hi Hugh,
I will see if I can find them again! I’ve moved house since my previous posts and I have temporarily lost sight of quite a a few things, as you do however, hopefully Darren may well still have his copies, if I can’t locate them!!! Not sure about your pilot though, can you PM me a name?
Martyn
GYD
Hi onion,
I have been told that this handle was fitted to the Firefly AS6 but, the pilot’s notes for that marque show a ‘standard’ Dunlop Mk1 spade. Invariably however, the pilots notes use very early versions of the aircraft and this may well have been subsequently replaced with the AH9846 in service. Certainly fitted to an aircraft that did not have guns fitted.
GYD
On reading fellow forumite Air Ministry’s fabulous ‘An illustrated guide to British Aircraft equipment 1939-1945 Volume 4 – ‘Dunlop Spade Grips and gun Firing Gear’ page 132, there is mention that when this handle is fitted to an aircraft with only one gun fitted, the right hand trigger is connected to the firing mechanism of the gun and the left hand trigger used to operate a gun camera, if fitted. Perhaps AM can provide a little more information???
GYD
Hi AM,
Canberra PR9
GYD
FB,
Just sent you an e-mail!
GYD
Bas,
Check your PM’s!
GYD
Runway06,
I fully agree, I have a GR1 grip from ZA596, which was destroyed in the Gulf as a GR4, (crashed on take off both crew ejected safely) and also one off GR1 ZD746 ‘Alarm Belle’ from 9 Sqn, Tabuk 1991. I also have the complete column and grip from GR4 ZG756 which was painted in the 14 Sqn 90th anniversary scheme.
Always much better when you know the aircraft a grip came from although, it will be one of many fitted during its career!
GYD
Bas,
This is all very interesting, the AC66132 that F4MPHIXER mentions would fit in nicely with the remnants of the obliterated but, (almost) visible remaining AC number on your grip, especially given the same Panavia number, so I would err, that it was indeed previously numbered as such. I am even more intrigued now! The reason I still believe it to be German/Italian IDS, is the ‘SK’ prefix to the new number rather than the ‘AC’ prefix normally associated with the Dunlop modifications.
F4MFIXER, does your AC66132 have all three ‘thumb buttons’ in position and none blanked off? And do you have any idea to which aircraft your grip came from, a F731 perhaps?
Martyn
GYD
Let’s hope that o***d is one of our fold?
GYD
Hi Bas,
I would be very surprised, nay gobsmacked, if a civilian organisation carrying out the restoration of an early stripped out GR1, fortunately had the original grip from that aircraft, it is probably close to or, less than zero!
To illustrate, JetArt’s recent comprehensive and commendable F-3 Tornado (ZE256) restoration, has unfortunately been fitted with a HOTAS grip from a GR-4, see link:
http://www.jetartaviation.co.uk/2014/01/tornado-f3-has-landed-now-available-for-sale/
Your grip is almost certainly from either a German or Italian IDS aircraft, that has been locally modified from Dunlop standard fit and re-designated accordingly. The hard task is to find a contemporary ‘in service’ picture rather than a restored/museum example.
Keep searchin, no ‘G’!
Light bulb! However, having mused and thought a little ‘out side the box’ the dates that Nick quite rightly pointed out earlier, 1976/79 could also point toward a possible pre-production/experimental fit perhaps???
Martyn
GYD
Hi Bas
You’re right, it is a Dunlop grip but, it has had a modification, very probably minor and done possibly at Unit level negating it to be returned back to Dunlop. However, it would be nice to see ‘proof’ of one in an aircraft to narrow it down!
GYD
All part of the service : )
GYD