RocketeerI would go with the XF375 type scheme, but will aim to find out if our photographis guys have any pix…..
Thanks to Bill, Chox, Tony and everyone else for shedding more light on this mystery. It looks the case is still somewhat open though until we get a clearer idea of the full colour scheme. The Hunter photo helps, but I feel I still can’t accurately paint this one up yet. There’s got to be some old ETPS photos showing WV910 lying around in personal collections…
Seems like 910 had an interesting service life nonetheless, even if she didn’t make the conversion upgrade to FGA.6 like many sister FGA.4s (isn’t WV797 at the MAM another upgrade conversion?) As for her ground instruction work, UK Serials states 910 was w/o in ’58 to the ETPS as a GIA, and Rocketeer himself used for those purposes. Great to hear that, by the way. It is interesting that she flew between ’53-59, so she must have worn some kind of ETPS colours prior to the ‘chop colours’ as has been theorised. These may well have been different to what we see on the current nose cone, as Chox suggests. The plot thickens…
RocketeerXE601 was never used by the ETPS, it spent all of it’s life IIRC with A sqn and later fast jet Sqn of A&AEE, so it’s scheme was a little bit of a one off. Here’s a more side on view of XE601
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And an ETPS F6 in the period ETPS scheme – XF375 at IAT76Just for fun here’s 601 rippled…
I never said XE601 was an ETPS aircraft!!! I meant WV910!
601 followed the old pre-Raspberry ripple colours used by ETPS…..these were MOA/MOF/MOD/MOD(PE)* fleet aircraft colours. Take pick of when these were ‘in charge’.
Raspberry ripple was not peculiar to ETPS or A&AEE, indeed witness assorted RAE aircraft from the old Bedford and Farnborough fleets.
601 was always A&AEE/DTEO/DERA/QinetiQ when she was at BD (again take your pick!)
Chox, your hunch is wrong….from my access to the cockpit at the BDAC and when working with it when it was working for a living….
but then again what do I know!
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RocketeerRaspberry ripple wasn’t introduced until 1976 and, has Chox has said, light a/c grey with red trim did seem fairly standard for ETPS machines through the 60s and 70s.
She is in the colours she wore as an ETPS airframe. When she retired from flying use the cockpit was lopped off and the internals converted to allow TPs and FTEs to ‘calibrate’ their hands in the way of control forces. When I graduated in 1991 we used her….last year of her use sadly. Was a simple but effective tool. The cockpit gauges still works for this and pugs into the wall using a 3 pin plug!!!
WV910 was marked up with the ETPS fleet number ’20’ and she flew between 1953 and 59.
The attached crap photo shows XE601 in her last colours prior to raspberry ripple taken in the late 80s. The Sea Hawk would have been similar with a red tail….I would need to check for cheat line….dont think there is one under the paint though
Rocketeeri use a mix of guillotine, tin snips and a nibbler (the latter is air powered)
Rocketeerwe dug 40+ from an old dump…..some to halifaxophiles most were prob scrapped by the grown ups….i was but a young boy!
Rocketeerwouldn’t it be great to have a aerosol of that smell!!
Finished the Tempest stick and got one piston out the Merlin..
Opened up my Hunter F.4 cockpit yesterday whilst I was in the workshop (1st time since about September probably) – breathed in that smell of a real 1950’s aircraft, wound the clock, shut the canopy and went back in the house. It was so damned cold. 😮
RocketeerAre you sure they`re aircraft ? they look like the armoured screens fitted to ww2 special forces jeeps.
we had a ton of half moon halifax armoured screens that were the same used on SAS stuff……all gone now, sadly,
Rocketeerthat they are Peter….useable in a static with nice fittings and even cockpit placards!
Those parts look in exceptional shape considering they were from a crash in the sea.
RocketeerOne finished, one to go…..
RocketeerThats funny….could have sworn that was in my garage last week! Where d’ya nick that, then? 😀
funny that old chap….rumour has it there is something else on the way!!;)
HNY old chap:)
Rocketeerwow that will be an amazingly exciting picture!! Here it is with my ‘helpers’ playing tuggy!!
RocketeerI have one of my two Windscreen units currently stripped down, the inside is standard cockpit green. There is no etch primer on it. Just top coat cockpit green……if you are near the Salisbury area you are welcome to see the colour.
I need to find what colour the production cockpits were painted in?
I vaguely remember Fred Ballam saying that they were given a coat of etch primer (Which is the norm for Aluminium, Magnesium etc.) to promote paint adhesion, but can’t remember if he said they were left like that, or if it was painted after?
If they were painted, was there a standard Ministry colour for cockpits? As in the Spitfires, Hurricanes, Beaufighters etc…
Thanks for any info
RocketeerI understand there is an updated version of this book underway with new pictures added and loads of close ups of current projects. 🙂
This is my rebuild bible Roobarb….the photographs of ‘naked’ spits have helped me countless and my copy is so tired, I cannot wait for a new copy which hopefully wont get too grubby (but knowing me it will!!)
RocketeerXH668, I just noted your new avtar quotey thingy woo……’A very happy member’….are you a very happy member or do you have a very happy member?! oh err missus!
Sorry, just a little too much Xmas cheer
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