Did no French built examples visit the U.K in the post war years??
Apart from this one? 😀
I’m guessing this is a new-build Fw-190
Yes.
if so is this the first time one has visited the UK?
Flying, yes.
I’m not aware of any ever flying a “warbird”, so when was the last time one was in the UK skies?
1946-47?..probably in Eric Brown’s logbook…
An original has not (in the post 1968 ‘warbird era’) so yes I guess you would be about right in your estimate.
Looking at the FW 190 taxying with canopy open it looks to me like the headrest slides with the canopy,i’m not sure there is much room for a second seat under that canopy
It does indeed – and no rear seat!
I was using the technique to see how it worked – I was not saying that roundels were painted in this way- just that I had some small roundels to play with.
Sorry – it was your phrase ‘re-create this approach to painting roundels’ that seemed to indicate it was a method that had been used in the past.
I have been playing with rubber matting recently – to try and recreate this approach to painting roundels – the more heavily filled and hard rubbers do not drape and you do not get crisp lines. hence I needed a low durometer more elastomeric rubber.
Is there any evidence that matting was used as a mask for roundels? The surviving original roundels on Spitfire PT879 for example (built Castle Bromwich, 1944) are crisp and precise and have the same appearance as if they had been applied using masking tape or some kind of adhesive mask – no softness whatsoever to the edges.
Hello Edgar, you seem a little defensive about this question :). There is no disputing the use of such mats in WWII aircraft production (on my part), I refered the OP to a photo showing use of the mats at Curtiss, I am merely questioning just how widespread their use was in both the US and over here.
Most manufacturers aircraft paint scheme drawings (including Supermarine) are indeed very precise in terms of the location of the edges of camouflage lines to the airframe and clearly this would assist with the location of the masking mats.
Scrutiny of production aircraft from say Castle Bromwich (that famous ramp shot that shows 60+ Spitfires for example) suggests a most consistant appearance to camouflage lines over the production period (a week or so) but was this down to the use of masks or simply the consistancy of the painting staff who, faced with the endlless task of finishing the same aircraft type to a given drawing, would almost certainly have produced quite similar results without masks.
Its an interesting question and if we could get a little more information on thre use of the masks I for one would like to try to reproduce the method on our next suitable job.
We have to presume that it’s easier, today, with the rare necessity for a warbird to be painted, to do this “wet-blending” method, than go for masks which will not be needed again for a long time, unlike wartime production, which was definitely not unhurried.
Edgar
Painting these aircraft is not so rare an activity – we are normally dealing with one or two Spitfires, whether it be for scheme consultation or markings/stencils assistance at any given time (worldwide) although I accept its not on Castle Bromwich scale any more!
I know that large rubber mats where used to mask camoflage schemes during the war but i was wondering if anyone knows of any photos showing these mats being used?
I have one of masks being used on a P-40 wing in a book somewhere. I have heard numerous references to this method being used in the UK but never seen any wartime photos of it ‘in action’ here. I therfor doubt it was widespread throughout the industry and is not generally a method used to create the effect today.
kartman……
The numbers below appear on a brochure I have from the museum:-
01604 811582
07968 061708also e-mail addresses…….richardwatts2@yahoo.co.uk
[email]bbrown@sherwooddunham.com[/email]Hope this helps……. Planemike
E-mail no longer corect for Ben Brown!
Why? :confused:
I think it was due to the purchasing agreements the UK Government had with Packard – they needed to figure out somewhere to put them – hence for example the continuing post-war Spitfire XVI production.
In this day and age, it’s becoming increasingly common for Spitfire variants to have their correct Merlin engines fitted wherever possible.
I’m afraid I can only think of the Mk.XVIs that are flying that might have them – though I’m bound to be wrong….
Other Spitfires have them today but only 16’s originally had them.
Get the six U.K examples together in a row at Legends and forget about the other stuff!!
Now that would be an impressive sight! 🙂
😮 it’s amazing just how many there is:eek:
With 12 flying the Hurricane is still a rare bird (although not so rare now compared with 40 years ago) – just depends on whether you are a ‘glass half full’ or ‘glass half empty’ person!
and look’s like a few more to come 😎
In the shortish term there are really only two more to come (to flying status) – from the Hurricane Masters, HRL.
Wouldnt it be wonderful to be able to say ‘A lancaster flew over’ and have a meaningful discussion about which one it might have been.
What actually happened?
I remember ‘it’ happening quite clearly, but can’t remember hearing/reading about the events leading up to the crash.
I hope it is ok to ask this question – I don’t want to upset anyone by asking…
A lot of time has passed since then and the AAIB report has been in the public domain for some time. However I would prefer not to have that directly quoted or linked in this thread, which I think is a now a small tribute to Mr Church. Suffice to say its on the net.
Living a few miles from Popham we were treated to lots of flybys from Charles Church and his Spitfire. I went to some of the “open days” there as well when they had (IIRC) a Walrus being worked on and maybe a Buchon ?
Walrus W2718 (G-RNLI, owned by Dick Melton) and Mr Church’s Buchon G-HUNN (now in the US). You would also have seen Spitfires PT462 and PL344 in the early 1990’s and perhaps also MK VIII MT719 which we looked after for Peter Ray for a while before its departure (also the US). Not to mention of course Mustang G-SUSY (now in Bremgarten, Germany with yet another new owner and awaiting a markings change).