Ahh shot down by Flak into Dieppe Harbour – F/Sgt C B Watson PoW
Thats the one!
Any one what to hazard a guess for a possible ‘likely’ Serial number for Hurricane IIb XP-L –
BE505 (which was lost in action 66 years ago today).
I assume she is not going to have RCAF 5403 on the side
Err no!
shame it will head to the US but I’d walk up to Duxford to see it before it goes….
fantastic looking beast…..
No need to walk that far – its at Booker!
The ideas floated on this thread aren’t new – they’re just pointlessly expensive.
Yes – thats the phrase I was looking for!
If I could afford to buy a rivet for rivet recreation of a Spitfire, that could fly I think I would… and judging by the number of people that build replicas in 80% scale and others, I think I’m not alone.
Ric – if you could afford a ‘rivet for rivet’ recreation of a Spitfire than you can afford to restore an original Spitfire and would be well advised to go for that as it will be worth rather more than a ‘repro’. 🙂
The people that build reduced size replicas do so (in the UK) in order to reduce costs, operate the aircraft on a PFA permit, not have to buy an expensive RR Merlin, not have to use expensive original or replacement parts, buy in to a pre-designed ‘kit’ etc etc.
There was quite a furore about this semi submerged, relatively intact airframe, earlier in the year.So what has happened, has it been covered up with sand again.
Yes
is any attempt being made to recover it.
Not at the moment.
I don’t know exactly where it is, but with the holiday season apon us I’m sure it must make a great offshore diving platform and source of curiosity/theft.
No its not very visible.
So what has happened to what must be one of the best relatively intact finds in this country for many years, no doubt the subject of wasteful, useless litigation I expect.
Basically nothing – its still in situ where it landed 60+years ago.
Why would you need a serial number? You might need a construction number, but that would be something that would mean something to you, chosen by you, like when building a “new” car.
I’m sure there is a way that it would be accepted or there would never be a new aircraft built anywhere.
Ric, the issue is that the Spitfire is/was a military aircraft and has never had a civilian version created by the original manufacturer. As such there is no ‘type certificate’ for civilian manufacture and operation. The only way you can operate a Spitfire registrered in the UK is as an ex-military aircraft on a CAA ‘Permit to Fly’ basis.
It is not beyond possibility that someone could take the Spitfire airframe design right through the approval process as a ‘new design’ and perhaps achieve approval for series production – but who would spend such vast amounts of time and money this would require in order to obtain consent to build an aircraft that would be less valuable (as a new product) than its historic cousins?
The real-world restoration of historic WWII fighters in the UK is driven by this legislative framework – you simply cannot make them new and probably would not want to either due to the lower perceived value of the end product.
The Dick Melton TR.IX which later became MH367 started as a completely new machine – I guess with CAA surveyor approval !
I dont think it was ever registered here David, the CAA did not get involved in it during its time in the UK as far as I can recall (although Dick always joked it would become G-NEWI if it did).
It would be interesting to know more about the provenance of the late Charles Church’s V
It was a 1942 Westland built Spitfire as far as the CAA were concerned.
I think what I am trying to say is there has never been an official ‘approval’ of new build Spitfires in the UK, in contrast to the point Cees raised.
They are accepting new built Spitfires as new nowadays so there should be no problem in that.
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Changing back to the subject (Seafire). Kennet’s Seafire 46 LA564 is to be restored but it’s wings are to be used for Seafire XVII SX300.
Pardon my ignorance, but aren’t the Seafire XVII’s wings the original shape, compared to the later-mark Seafire? :confused:
Really these are ‘the (earlier type folding) wings that came with the project’ rather than the actual wings for that aircraft.
New wings need to be sourced for the Seafire 46. Being similar to the Spitfire 21 series. Can a set be sourced or will these have to be new built, and and in that case being a first (Jack Malloch’s 22 was refurbished I believe and TFC’s example is substantially complete)?
Both in a way – you source an original set to borrow, rebuild them and in the process create a jig and copy all the components to give one refurbished and one ‘new’ set of wings.
All planes have a fatigue life
Yes they all have a fatique life
Are you chaps talking military jet aircraft, you dont actually mean all aircraft or even all ex military aircraft do you?
Apologies if this is completely wrong but on the return home from Legends on Saturday I thought I saw a black tailed Mustang parked up at North Weald from the motorway. Of course I could have just had Mustangs on the brain but Im sure it had a black tail and so has BBD.
It had a black rudder – yes it was BBD – she went home today.
Whilst we have one flyable Lancaster in the country I rate the incremental benefit of having a second as being pretty minimal.
If the Pantons wish to do it, more power to their elbow. But it isn’t something that would be getting me bouncing up and down with excitement.
Moggy
Such a statement seems to me to be completely incomprehensible, coming form a historic aviation enthusiast such as yourself.
Well I am now sad to report the one I had hoped to entice is looking rather unlikely to attend 🙁 Ho hum.
So is it worth going ?
Definately.
These days, I would say there is more emphasis on the historic types than modern at Shoreham (although maybe I am a bit biased). You are probably almost as close to the parked aircraft as you would be on the Flightline walk at DX, so yes – you are pretty close (although there is a barrier).