The beautiful Steve Atkin-researched Yak 3, White 100, is at North Weald for a few weeks, maybe more.
Thank you for the kind words! It was a very interesting collaboration, both with historian/author Erik Pilawskii, who was the person who actually researched the scheme and with Meier motors who applied the main colours at Bremgarten (not to mention her dedicated owner who footed the bill for all the work).
White-100 will be around in the UK for a few more weeks and you can see her in action at Flying Legends next month ๐
These are really superb pictures – very skilfull!
Are there different BS ranges? I seem to recall some issues the MoD guys had with BS colours and although they used the same colours, they gave them different names.
There are; the original BS381 came out in 1930 and some colours in it were selected for use on aircraft. During WWII aircraft colours were standardised by the Ministry of Aircraft Production and this set of ‘Standard’ colours (it developed during the war) was later absorbed in to the new Ministry of Supply( MoS) in 1946.
BS381C came out much later, in 1964 and absorbed some, but not all, of the MoS colours that were applied to military aircraft in the preceding period. Generally colours which retained a post war practical application ‘survived’, such as Sky, due to its continued use on Naval aircraft. However, many of the WWII period colours never made it at all – including Red, Yellow and Blue (the dull wartime shades for roundels and fin flashes) and even Ocean Grey, a colour used in huge quantities from 1941 and in to the immediate post war period, but which had almost disappeared by the early1950โs.
The example I like to use is the upper wing surface of say a 1944 Spitfire in the Day Fighter Scheme โ only one of the five colours on it found its way in to BS381C โ Dark Green!
More recently BS4800 has been issued, although more of an architectural/commercial range its often the first that comes to mind with 21st Century paint suppliers.
I would also warn that many of the older surviving colours in BS381C have experienced some degree of ‘development’ in the intervening years since the 30’s/40’s and caution should be used before they are directly applied on wartime period schemes, particularly as most of these shades were not selected from any British Standard at their time of first use but were independently created and only subsequently (some 20 years later) issued in the 1964 BS.
I’ve never heard that neither, I know in model circles great debate has always surrounded the exact colour type. Some say the Sky colour is same as RAF Sky, which to me seems more pale than what was used by FAA.
That is a view I share, in effect the 1964 BS381C Sky (#210) does seem a little darker than the Sky employed twenty years earlier in wartime but is most certainly correct for post war FAA schemes.
Anyone has a BS colour number for ‘Alpine’? I cannot find it on my chart. There is ‘Opaline Green’, of course, (275) but that’s a very bright light green.
There is no BS number for โAlpineโ as far as I am aware, however it is a name that a number of car manufacturers have adopted for white and โoff-whiteโ colours over the years.
One thing that will slightly affect the way the colour looks is the finish – gloss will make it look much darker than a matt or satin finish.
Very true – perhaps one reason for the WWII Sky colour appearing ‘lighter’ than its post-war FAA manifestation.
No reason at all why 558 could not put in an appearance at Cosford and be displayed if TVOC wish, depends on the circumstances, i.e Landing as part of test flight, display, ground manouvers while there, display, Parked, checked and serviced, display, Take off to return or continue the test flight, display.
All this could be accomplished within the confines of the current regulations without a permit to fly in exactly the same manner the A/C has been operated for the past few months, depends how desperate they are to achieve a public apperance…..:diablo:
I think anyone intending to do that at such an event might run in to trouble; CAA CAP 403 definition of a ‘Flying Display’: “Any flying activity performed for the purpose of providing exhibition or entertainment at an advertised event open to the public”.
CAA CAP403 definition of a ‘Display Pilot’: “A pilot who holds a Display Authorization or Exemption, issued by his appropriate national authority, which allows him to take part in a Flying Display”
I could not watch it sadly :(. Its on again at 10.00am this morning and over the weekend. Can anyone please record it in some way? ๐
So what are we saying then, “something that has stood for over 60 years in all weathers, without any maintenance what so ever” is potentially dangerous, or is it that the design, (that allowed these buildings to stand for over 60 years in all weathers etc etc) is inherently flawed?
Neither really Stuart – its more a reflection on the increasing ‘factor of safety’ levels that have become rooted in modern structural design.
So now they fall down, whereas before they didn’t?
No -its simply that getting old designs to show compliance with modern codes of practice can be rather dififcult
That Engineer with a capital E please, and it’s doesn’t matter whether one uses a computer programme to do the analysis or a calc pad, pencil, and slide rule (not that ANYONE uses them these days:rolleyes:) as the rules of analysis are still the same as they have ever been…..what’s changed is the relevent codes of practice, and you can’t get around that no matter how you do the sums.
Yes exactly :rolleyes:
Theres also the Swiss one (former French owner) – Russells Raiders
Bruce
Yes thats right – it was at La Ferte last year.
So following on from that, has Grumpy been sitting at NW for the past 4 years then.
Yes.
How many of the Griffon Spits have the Coffman cartridge starter
None (that are flying today).
Was the whole aircraft re-painted?
Their display yesterday was scintilating but at the same time clearly very graceful and sympathetic to the aircraft. Everyone in the pilots enclosure was glued to it – that says a lot!
Here is the brand new website for ‘White 100’ – some nice photos in there too….
someones been watching the smirnoff advert!!!
Or drinking the stuff ๐
First aircraft was a lovely Auster Autocrat, second was a Spitfire T.IX.