AFAIK they are trying to get together as many airworthy Spits as possible, there was definitely talk of landings during the preliminary stages, not sure what the current plan calls for though.
Tom
Tom, this started life as a very big idea – bringing in Spitfires from all over the place (inc. abroad). I think its started to get scaled back now but hopefully they will get some sort of event to happen.
Before everyone starts frothing at the mouth, check out Articles 11 and 12 (from memory) which regulate the way the CAA can issue a Permit to Fly to non-EASA and EASA aircraft types.
I presume the original quoted clause refers to an individual aircraft being permitted to fly in UK rather than the type as whole.
so what parts do the team require? do they have the props?
Answer in a different thread:
Work continues on the Beaufighter with the possibility of the cockpit being fitted shortly. The hunt still goes on for original engines and a second propeller, can you help?
Am I right in thinking, that a Spit/Mustang wreck only have an actual value, when you also have a competent restoration team?
No – the value is there once the wreck is successfully salvaged. Whether or not there is any restoration process in place does not affect its value at that stage.
I think the ‘sensitive commercial information’ James is reffering to essentially concerns the re-build cost of any given aircraft that might be available for sale. I would certainly not expect anyone to disclose that (in the same way that VW wanted to keep the build cost of my car a secret from me)!
As pointed out earlier there is the cost of project aquisition (obviously varies depenedent on source and condition/completeness), the re-build/overhaul costs (including the aquistion of any missing items and again varies dependent on whome/where the work is carried out) and finally there is an end value of the completed aircraft. One hopes that there is a margin in addition to the total cost of the aforementioned in order to provide some financial justification to the project but sadly it is often the case that there is not. This is an unhealthy situation and one that has pushed many potential Spitfire owners towards buying a complete flying aeroplane rather than a project.
The trend now seems that values are finally creeping away from costs but its not by a big margin and who knows how or if the current ecconomic uncertainties will affect values.
I guess I’ll have to wait, untill one is for sale on courtesy aircraft, or some place like that.
One sold on Courtesy a few months ago. No secret at $2,000,000. Most consider it was very cheap sale considering the aircraft in question was a recent comprehensive re-build and done to a very high standard.
Yes that head on shot of MJ730 is a cracker – good to see our paint job of six years ago is holding on.
The Francis Mason book gives you a pretty good listing of each aircraft (its not 100% complete though) with some history on each one, details of orders, producion contracts etc. Find a copy of the later Aston Publications version if you can.
Interesting question Andrew. I am not certain what stance your local authority might take on this but the first question is always ‘is there any development or change of use taking place’. If the car park remains in use as a car park then the answer to the latter part of the question is almost certinly no, however the issue of the presence of developement is a bit more difficult as I would suggest the ‘test’ would be the permenance of the aircraft at that location. The LA could argue that the aircraft is a permenent ‘exhibit’ (rather than a car indulging in its reasonable right to be left in a car-park) and requires planning consent to remain at the site. Whether or not the LA’s interest is aroused is of course influenced by the proximity of neighbours. If there are any close by that have a view of it they may make representations to the LA ( a possibility that must increase if engine runs are carried out – unless the site is extremely remote). That will usually result in a visit from an enforcement officer – the first step in the process of determining if consent is required (assuming of course that the a/c is placed in the car park without consent.
Oooh, it’s not going to be one of my favourite late-model Spit schemes, is it? Black and white stripes spring to mind….
At least one person will be happy with it then 🙂
[QUOTE=’D-Day’;1227868]And, I am sure the tail band will be the correct size when the masking tape is removed.[/QUOTE]Yes but its a tail band with a difference!
Sorry i can’t help- but is it my imagination or has this project only taken abiout 6 months???
Its your imagination!
One of the main reasons that it is painted in bits is you can’t get a whole aircraft into the spray bay at ARCo.
That is often a limiting factor – we came to the same decision with the Yak -but there was a lot of thought before hand as there was no reason to remove the wing other than to get it in to the spray bay (unlike 356 which needs to have the wings off for other reasons).
Simple version. Is it normal to paint before, during or after a major service?
Hello Brian – well certainly not usually before a service but whether during or after depends on the nature of the work and the type of aircraft, there is no rule as such. In this case any external skin rectification that may have been needed has been carried out and the basic fuselage has been painted, minus engine, cowlings, wings, root fairings etc. There is nothing to stop this being done prior to re-installation of engine, fuel tanks etc, in fact it will help to reduce the overall time the project will take as the critical path will be the re-sparring of the wings (which can only be re-painted when this work is finished). The tail can be painted prior to fitting. The team will need to decide whether or not to paint the wings prior to bolting them on the fuselage (it can and has been done both ways). They are helped a bit by the single colour finish as there will be no tricky camou lines to align and it does look like they are taking advantage of this up to now.
When a Spitfire (or any similar sized warbird) is painted it is nomal practice to remove a lot of the access panels and seal up the openings so that you only get paint on in the right places. If its a flying aircraft these all have to be removed and paint stripped, individually re-painted and then re-fitted. In the cases where an aircraft has been overhauled or re-built a key decision is when you paint it during the work programme. With, for example, AR213 the decision was made to fly the aircraft last year and then paint it this year. The operators were able to carry out the test flying programme without delay and then apply the paint in the winter months prior to the show season – all good sense. With the Kennet Seafire you may recall the decison was made to fully paint the aircraft prior to first flight. To the operator this made sound sense as the test flying programme was to take place near the start of the display season and down time to re-locate the aircraft, remove all the panels etc would have exteneded the overall programme and conflicted with the display season.
Our current project is a Yak-3 and this will be dismantled for painting in a spray booth (fuselage and wings seperately) as this makes sense for the operator to use a facilty available on site, albeit with the added inconvenience of seperating these components. So as you can see there are a lot of factors to consider, not least of which is programme and timing and whether or not the re-paint is being carried out in house.
Is it normal when an aircraft has a new colour scheme to paint before a major refit like MK356, instead of after completion?
Brian.
Eh? – MK356 is having a major – its fuselage has been painted as part of that (as yet incomplete) work.