So how much ‘damage’ is done by the fact that this replica is in an international standard museum, but its a complete fake?
I expect 99% of visitors have no idea as it looks exactly the same as if it were real. On the other hand its only value to future generations is that it will provide a fascinating insight in to the manufacturing processes of fibre-glass replica fighters in the late C20, rather than a fascinating insight in to the manufacturing process of the P-51 Mustang in the mid C20!
Gentlemen, I am confused.com ! (not difficult to do) which, if any, is rep ? which if any is real ?
The one in your photo is the repro at the AAM, the same object as the two shots in post 7 which show it being re-painted prior to being hung up in the AAM. The two flying shots above are of course the real thing!
She has her old one back: G-IXCC. Owner presumably wishes to keep her over here for a while perhaps?
Seems likely some well heeeled merchant banker may end up with the awesome view over London as featured in the BofB film, when Dowding walks out onto his office balcony..:mad:
I believe it was just such an individual that caused it to be built in the first place, the RAF coming in to the scene some time later, in 1926!
Unfortunately old buildings often become redundant in their current use and new uses need to be found for them. In the past the solution has often been to simply develop and build anew. This is a process quite familiar to Georgian and Victorian developers (ironically it is their products we now strive to preserve). The problem really is the way in which the new uses are intergrated with the need to preserve the historic fabric, contents and setting of the building. In the case of the Priory the interior, mainly by the iconic architect Sir John Soane, has, I understand, lost many of its details in a fire some years ago, although the shape and proportion of those rooms are quite intact. More important to the aviation historian are those rooms associated with the occupation of Fighter Command in WWII and this presents some difficulties to the MOD if they wish to maximise the value of the property to developers but at the same time win planning and listed building (its grade II*) consent for the development, vital if the sale is to proceed. The fact that these consents have to be obtained is the key to the preservation of the principal Fighter Command/WWII rooms, most significantly the entrance and Lord Dowding’s office. It is most unlikely in my opinion that consents will be forthcoming without the presentation of a sustainable scheme to preserve these rooms and make them available for public view.
Fortunatley the appointed architects, Robert Adam Architects are highly skilled and experienced in dealing with such treaured buildings and historic settings. I worked as a senior associate of this firm over a period of eight years and I am familiar with the excellent work they are capable of. The new houses in the grounds will, I am sure, be sensitivley and carefully designed to complement the mansion, Adam being a great admirer of Soane.
Its sad that things have to move on and change but often they must. If however the process of change is carefully managed and implemented it can be, in the case of a wonderful historic building such as Bentley Priory, vital for its long term preservation.
I shall watch the development of this sale with interest.
The issue is with the spar life on ex AEW Shacks. During the unexpectedly longer time that the Shack stayed in front line service BAE did allow an extension on the spar life because the AEW was essential.
True, but referring to my earlier post, the key point is the fact that manufacturers approval is necessary (in the same way that you do not require any maufacturer input to re-spar a Spitfire of Hurricane)
When ex military aircraft are sold as surplus ,it can be expensive getting them approved for civil use. For example the ex MOD Gazelles are not allowed to carry out public transport work on the uK register unlike those built for the civilian market.
Again true – but the Permit catergory is designed as the route to allow such ex military aircraft to continue flying in civilain hands (so long as one accepts the limitations imposed such as you mention).
so in effect she is an operational aircraft of the Raf? (
Yes
I am unclear as to whether they would actually need to.
I think its more to do with its ‘complexity’ rating Bruce. Spitfires etc are considered by the CAA to be ‘simple’ types and do not require (nor do ‘intermediate’ types) manufacturer/design support. The Vulcan is rightly considered to be a ‘complex’ type by the CAA and I think it was likely the same with the Shackleton, though perhaps a more arguable classification – hence the need for BAE support. Thats how I recall it anyway.
Please excuse my ignorance, but is this the “plastic” hurricane mentioned ?
No – but you are excused!
Can anyone give an indication if this Spitfire is a restoration or composite? .
I would suggest its a fibre-glass replica (alhough it did need a bit of ‘restoration’ work recently)!
What happened to the Hurricane, has this a dry warm home in the hanger?
Not sure about that but it was also a fibre-glass re-creation of a Hurricane.
You keep bringing this subject up when the likely reason for the aircraft moving is, as pointed out elsewhere in this thread, its winter maintenance. On the thread that you point out Martin K makes a statement on behalf of the management of LAHC, if there was any substance to all of this don’t you think they would have commented?
They have ‘commented’, I have simply quoted from the aviation centres own website mentioned in the first post on this thread which says “Final Departure – The Spitfire takes off from East Kirkby for the last time. Spitfire MJ627 has left East Kirkby for the last time as it is relocated to another airfield.”
The words ‘final departure’ and ‘left for the last time’ seem pretty clear to me and do not hint at a temporary move. All I am doing is looking at the site contolled by the airfied operator, I do not have any ‘inside’ information’ and I am not speculating. It does however seem quite clear to me from this that the aircraft has moved permenantly. As to why this has happened I am afraid I have no idea but wish it and its operational team well at its new location, wherever that may be.
This is the aircraft featured in the latest Flypast isn’t it?
Yep the same one – KA114. The difference being that the article was done prior to the big milestone of the wings completion and arrival at Avspecs a few weeks ago.
Wing is now finished and was delivered to Aspecs just before Christmas. It has been temporarily mated to the fuselage – fabulous progress! For new pictures see http://www.fighterfactory.com/restoration/dehavilland-mosquito-aircraft.php
Graham, stalk is fixed and cast integrall with the base plate (I thought you were the person people bought them from 😀 ). I recall someone posted some drawings recently so a search may help. The nice chaps in Stoke sell newly cast stems for a reasonable price.
Gosh – thanks chaps 😮
And yes it is very strange day to have a birthday – its what happens when your mum gets pregnant on or near April Fools day and it turns out not be a joke!