“interceptor” by james goulding has a good piece on the types (it’s actually a good all round book IMO) and one of the old wings of fame volumes had a very good piece as well.

major league

best sporting movie ever made – perfect “man film” with a beer and take away

being flippant…

why don’t they just put on a brown padded anorak and get down to Dover, say you’ve just arrived and please can you have directions to the nearest benefits office… seems to work for others:mad:

surely if you swear allegence to the crown, serve (which is more than I’ve done!) risk getting killed, maimed etc, pay tax and N.I on the salary as well its a basic courtesy to grant the right to live.

it does make my blood boil with the inequality of it all…..

Bloody hell, that is NICE!

Excellent work! 🙂

anybody else hear that noise ? The sound of Daz falling in love…..again….;)

It looks fantastic though – congratulations, it must be so rewarding to see her finished, and maybe a litte sad to see her go ?

The list appears up to date – I’m a couple of miles away and went past about a month ago. The airframes are stored in the open on grass with the inevtiable result, if memory serves the Drover is a rare bird and the Sea Prince unique as it is unmodified (nose cone?) – we had a long thread on here a while back but BT Broadband (:mad:) is faffing about and I can’t search much….

I don’t recall WW3 breaking out – do you?

TSR2 wasn’t a planned part of our strategic nuclear deterrent and was never intended to be.

I’m certain she was intended as little else than a nuclear bomber designed around the weapons of the time, one of the design criteria was (IIRC) to be able to hit two targets X miles from bases in Europe & Cyprus.

I may be wrong on this I don’t have a lot of written material on the TSR-2, and as above, there are a lot of opinions that get repeated and seen as fact.

For what its worth Wikipedia has some data on the design of nuclear weapons at the time with Harold McMillon limiting the yield of tactical weapons which in turn effected how much damage the TSR-2 fleet could have done. Happily corrected, it is Wicked Wikki after all, but I’m certain it was designed for a nuclear role from the start.

An almost intact TBD, a combat veteran at that was located a few years ago in shallow water (ditched training) and the USN has so far declined to allow it to be salvaged. No war grave issues, just “policy”….. curious.:confused:

There needs to be a bit more thought to this topic, especially as it keeps popping up.

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That’s a good argument Pagen.

I think that as it was designed for low level work and not high altitude level bombing (like the B-58 for example) it would have been a viable strike aircraft in the Nuclear role (red beard ?), perhaps though not so much in the conventional role. With a small narrow fuselage and a small wing, some changes would have been needed to adapt surely? With deliveries intended to be complete by 1973 (IIRC) the Falkands conflict would have occurred within the service lifespan but the TSR-2 not taking place would be no different from the lack of Phantoms, Buccaneers or (just coming into service) the Tornado.

Recon versions (if developed) may well have been based in Chile (as it is “alleged” Canberras were) – but, with TSR-2 in, no Vulcans, means no Black Buck, (engage debate as to if that had any value anyway….)

I don’t think there is a right or a wrong or a truth or a falsehood on the TSR-2 any more. It looks impressive and without repeating myself, I would say that anybody who likes the thing would enjoy the “what if” model shown above.

I confess that I was at Cosford a month back and spent some time sat in front of the aircraft there, it is beautiful and that is about the only “fact” I’d be happy stating and arguing about!