Well , the usual– no proof. Just that J-10 has + and – of lavi so its different. And nothing to back up. Lets not deviate into other issues like the other weapon systems.
crobato,
Its your word against the rest of the world. I prefer going with the rest of the world.
be a sport, J-10 is Lavi. Self denial leads to complications. US intell can be wrong but still credible than Chinese “official” sources.
or you want the Chinese mod to close the thread down again with a super duper sentimental statement or you can go “J-10 is beuatiful” way.
J-10 remains lavi unless proven otherwise.
Remember IAf chief said the same thing about Mirages before putting his foot in the mouth? (i think same argument by another poster in PR). Why don’t we just chill out. This is going to be a murky process. Bye bye Subs for another decade. :diablo:
Provided we are talking on confirmed sources. There is info avaliable on bits and pieces. On the contrary, can you prove its indegenious? Can you prove that CIA intel is wrong?
Structural changes have been done to a good degree for accomodating Al-31. Thats the reason for inconclusiveness.
The Chinese mods have closed J-10 realted threads before. Typical responses are 1) Denials 2) focussing on personal reputation and kill the J-10 discussion 3) Down right closing of thread with some super duper sentimental remark.
Any truth in rumours that lavi was transfered to South Africa in 1990’s?
Does any one has a picture or spec of Super Lavi or Lavi-2000 design ?
i am attaching a report submitted by AIR COMMODORE TARIQ MAHMUD ASHRAF… some time back about SU30MKI…
it seems chaps in PAF knew what this devil can do… :diablo:
Standard internet cut and paste with obvious conclusion.
“Keeping our nation’s threat perception in mind, we are developing our own defence umbrella against oncoming ballistic and cruise missiles. Such an ambitious anti-missile programme calls for development and realisation of long-range, high-resolution radars. We also need to make rapid advancements in developing a missile defence scheme capable of both endo and exo atmospheric interception capabilities. The engineering efforts in all these sectors should stem from the resolve to improve the overall quality of life of the common man”, Mr. Kalam said.
‘India developing ballistic missiles defence to counter threats’
BANGALORE FEB. 9.2003: India is developing ballistic missile defence technologies to counter “threats from its adversaries” and has no Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) programme, a key official of a DRDO laboratory involved in weapon system programmes, said today.
“We are now trying to develop ballistic missile defence system like hypersonic class of missiles and long-range detection and tracking radars”, Director of Hyderabad-based Research Centre Imarat (RCI), V.K. Saraswat, told PTI here. “We are going to concentrate on that,” he said.
“In offensive weapons (missiles), we have almost come to whatever needed by the country. Now we are looking at defensive weapons,” said Mr. Sarswat, who spoke last evening at an international seminar, organised as part of Aero India 2003, an international aerospace exposition here.
According to him, with the defensive weapons under development, the nation would be able to counter “incoming missile threats”. “You know, we have threats. Because our adversaries have (such missiles), we have to develop that,” he said and also indicated that India was working on a layered defence system.
DRDO officials said such a system included many technologies, including using satellites for communications and a unique two-layer defensive line using surface-to-air missile for any incoming ballistic missile attack. But he categorically said that New Delhi had no ICBM programme and asserted that the country faced no ICBM threat.(HINDU)(AEROINDIA)
Plans for missile interceptors unveiled
V.K. Saraswat, Director, RCI, DRDO, said missile defence would be given impetus: programmes included developing missile interceptors.
Another initiative is the Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD). We are at the technology development stage and a target missile has been launched with success. It requires a network of command, computer, control, communication and intelligence network. It is a bit way off, but we are firmly on route and hope to convert it into a deployable system in four-five years.
Thanks for the intelligent replies. I got my answere in PR forums.
Agreed, its low density. Its a mistake.

Glass cockpit lay out proposed for Cheetah/Chetak helicopters
Chetan cockpit
IV & V – Independent Verification & Validation:
Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is a multirole all weather combat aircraft incorporating a large number of real time software intensive systems like Flight Control System (FCS), Avionics and weapon systems. Some of the software intensive systems like the Digital Flight Control Systems (DFCS), Digital Engine Control Unit (DECU) are flight critical and other systems like Mission Computer (MC), Control and Coding Unit (CCU), Display Processor (DP), etc. are mission critical (Avionics Systems). The development of software is based on distributed processing environment and operates in an integrated manner. The software development activites are spread out in many work centres and it is absolutely essential to assure that the software developed performs the intended functions safely and correctly. Independent Verification and validation activities are planned for this purpose. IV&V activities are built into the Software development process. The IV&V activities are tailored keeping in view, the flight criticality or mission criticality of particular software item.
IV & V of FCS Software:
LCA-FCS consists of two main software components namely OFP (Operational Flight Programme) and DBU (Digital Backup Unit). FCS is safely critical software. DOD-STD-2167A is followed for software development process and the software is coded in Ada language. Extensive Independent Verification and Validation is planned and is being carried out for FCS Software to assure software is safe to fly.
Few facts” FCS is coded in ADA language. The IJT and AJT FCS will also be developed by same agency which coded LCA FCS.
We are working on Protonriver batch 5 pics :rolleyes:
Rajat Pandit is at it again. :diablo:
India preparing to test long-range missile
Tuesday March 1, 8:21 AM
By Indo-Asian News Service
Balasore (Orissa), Mar 1 (IANS) India has started preparations for the first test of the Agni-III nuclear-capable missile, which is expected to have a range of over 3,000 km, defence sources here said.
Preparations for testing the Agni-III and the Nag anti-tank missile, both developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), are being made at a range in Chandipur, the sources said.
Agni-III is the country’s most sophisticated ballistic missile. Two earlier versions of the missile, Agni-I with a range of 700 km and Agni-II with a range of over 2,000 km, are currently in service with the armed forces.
IMHO all above classifications are technology (avionics to be precise) oriented. The real challange comes when you try to classify a second generation upgrade on a X generation aircraft. If i got you confused” say Mirage 2000 is a 3rd gen airframe. So M2K-5 is a second generation upgrade of a 3rd gen aircraft.” How do you classify them? The latest M2K-5 has some 5th gen technology and M2K-5’s are as good as any second generation of 4th gen aircrafts. (now i am classifing as per Austins first post.)
Brute,
I don want to argue abt that now, but there are many more to that issue, but is the Boeings MESA an AEW ???
If at all, AWACS, has to be utilised to the fullest, then IL-76 as a carrier is not that good, I’d have loved it to be based on an IL-96-400 (10,000+ Km) or A-340-500(15,000+ Km), so that endurance doesn’t become an issue.
BTW, u must have read the above quote abt the Korean’s preference for the MESA over the ELTAS (hopefully PHALCON?)
Its also good news that CABS has restarted the project but the halting of the whole project was coz of the vested intrests and I’d put my theory abt the same in some earlier threads.
IL-76 is a known platform and has commanalities with with what Aviation Research Centers ELINT squadron. Phalcon was the best system avaliable to us. Perhaps boeing could have been used, may be the Russian political pressure.
Its good to have a friendly alternative like ERJ. I guess its best suited for ops that are in the mid segment. Something to go between an ELINT and a Full fledged AWACS.