On Navy’s Modernization: Posted by Sumeet in BRF about report on parliamentary comitee recommendations.

Committtee’s Rec

The Committee note that, keeping in view the everincreasing maritime interests of the country, Indian Navy has a major role to play to safeguard the nation on both economic and strategic fronts. To effectively
discharge the above role there is an urgent need to augment the capability of the Navy by induction of sophisticated state of art Naval equipment and platform. The Committee, therefore, recommend that the development/ procurement of the various Naval equipment should be taken up on priority and adequate availability of funds must be ensured by the Government so as to boost the capability of Indian Navy.

Action taken by Govt:

In keeping with Navy’s growing responsibilities to safeguard the country’s maritime interests and promote economic wellbeing that is intricately linked to sea borne trade, exploitation of offshore assets and energy security, the Navy has adopted a capability dominant mission based
approach for its force level planning. In order to continue effectively discharging its designated role, the Navy is processing several acquisition proposals to augment the surface, underwater and air capabilities of the Service. Several approved proposals are also in various stages of completion. Some of these include the induction of aircraft carrier ex – Admiral Gorshkov, Scorpene class submarines, War
ships, Second indigenous aircraft carrier, modern fighter aircraft, multirole
helicopters, Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV’s) and network centric capabilities including satellite communication. To address these growing challenges, the Navy’s XI Plan projections cater for induction of equipment and platforms in consonance with the capabilities envisaged. Funds for procurement / development of equipment / platforms would be provided in the Naval budget for approved projects.

Committee’s Rec:

The Committee note that the Navy faces shortage of both short range as well as long range maritime surveillance aircraft. There is also shortage of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) and Dornier Aircraft, being used by the Navy for coastal surveillance. The Committee also note that procurement of these aircraft is in the initial stage. It negates the very
proposition of the Ministry that Navy has got adequate forces to meet any
emergent requirement to safeguard maritime interests. The Committee feel that Navy is an equipment intensive Service and procurement of such critical equipment cannot be sidelined and therefore strongly stress that adequate attention should be given by the Ministry and required funds made available for procurement of these aircraft.

Action taken by govt

Maritime surveillance aircraft capability of Navy is being augmented in a planned manner over the long term as brought out in the succeeding paragraphs.

2. Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance (LRMR) Aircraft: Long Term
Perspective Plan envisages an adequate number of LRMR aircraft. The present holding of LRMR aircraft is 13. The long range surveillance gap is being addressed through replacement and induction of LRMR aircraft over the 10th to 13th Plan period.

3. Short Range Maritime Reconnaissance (SRMR) Aircraft: The enhancement of the short range surveillance capability is being addressed through replacement and induction of SRMR aircraft.

4. The planned capability would allow at least one visit by the maritime
Reconnaissance aircraft in the country’s maritime areas of interest every 24 hours.

5. Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV): The present holding of 12 UAVs would be further augmented by induction of indigenous long endurance UAVs. In addition, the Navy also plans to induct rotary UAVs deployable from ships.
The case for acquisition of two Heron UAVs along with three ground control stations and two ship control stations has since been initiated.

On IGMDP , Integrated Missile Developement Programme,

Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP)
8.44 During the Study Visit to Hyderabad when asked about the
status of missiles being developed by DRDO, the Bharat Dynamics
Limited replied as under :—

“Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme to design,
development leading to limited series production of Prithvi, Akash,
Trishul, Nag and a technology demonstrator Agni was undertaken
in July 1983. Nag, Akash and Dhanush, naval version of Prithvi
missile system are part of the Integrated Guided Missile
Development Programme. The total investment under Integrated
Guided Missile Development Programme is of the order of
Rs. 1341.2 crores. Agni-I & II and Prithvi 150 Km range, 250 km
range and naval version Dhanush have already been inducted into
the Indian Armed Forces.

The missiles being developed under Integrated Guided Missile
Development Programme are as accurate as contemporary missiles
available in the world armoury. The flight testing during the
development phase is a continuous process depending on the
mission objective set for the particular flight test. Quantifying the
success rate during the development phase may not be possible
even when the mission objectives are met 100%.

The enormous data generated during the flight trials is used for
the further improvements and flight tests. BrahMos missile system
has established 100% accuracy to hit and destroy the target ships
with high kill energy, during the trials”.

(a) Akash
8.45 Akash is medium range surface-to-air missile having range of
25 km. It has a multiple target handling capacity with digitally coded
command guidance system. 35 flight trials have been conducted
including guided flight against Electronic/Parabarrel/Nishant/Lakshya
unmanned air vehicles as target. During last 7 flight trials, Command
Guidance has been proved for the full duration. Multi-target
engagement capabilities of Akash have been demonstrated in recently
conducted flight trials. Akash missile system in Group Mode and
Combat Configuration has been demonstrated and proved.

8.46 On being asked by the Committee, the major reasons for
delay with respect to Akash, the Ministry supplied the following
information :—
• ”Akash Missile System uses state-of-art command guidance
system using a multi-function phased array radar and
against multiple targets. This, being developed for the first
time, took much longer than anticipated.
• Realization of rocket ramjet propulsion system.
• User trials of Akash to be conducted only on T-72 based
radar system from production agency.
• Non-availability of critical components, devices and subsystems
from import due to embargos”.

(b) Nag
8.47 Nag is a third generation anti-tank missile having ‘top-attack’
and ‘fire and forget’ capability. So far, 56 developmental flight trials
have been carried out including 11 guided flights with Imaging Infra
Red (IIR) seeker in ‘top-attack’ and ‘fire and forget’ mode. Flight trials
with day and night Imaging Infra Red (IIR) Seeker in top attack mode
have been undertaken in Feb. 2003 and June 2004 successfully. All the
mission objectives were met. These flights have established ‘top attack’
and ‘fire and forget’ capability of NAG missile system. Desert trials
have been completed. Army has issued Acceptance of Necessity (AON).
User trials phase – II are planned in December 2006/Jan 2007 and
user trials for helicopter version (ALH) are planned in June 2007 to
December 2007.

8.48 When the Committee asked the major reasons for delay with
respect to Nag, the Ministry supplied the following information :—
• “Unforeseen technological problems encountered in
development of IIR Seeker as homing seeker technology with
real time image processing was realized for the first time.
• Realization of IIR seeker in adequate numbers as per the
NAG development schedule.
• Major modifications in NAMICA configuration based on
User feedback (after field trials).
• Non-availability of critical components, devices and sub
systems from import due to embargo”.

8.49 The Ministry was also asked to elaborate realization of rocket
propulsion system and the effect of import embargos on the availability
of critical components etc. of Akash and Nag Missiles, the Ministry
replied :—

The propulsion system of Akash missile is based on solid fuel
rocket ramjet, which has both booster and sustainer integrated. Only Russia and France are two other countries which have
mastered such an efficient propulsion system and flown successfully.
This engine has been perfected and successfully flown more than
30 times at all attitudes and manoeuvering conditions. The system
is 100% indigenous with all raw materials, fabrication and
integration processes being developed within DRDO and know
how transferred to industries for serial production.

The missile system has performed excellently and all events starting
from surveillance through detection of air targets, tracking them,
assigning to launchers, evaluating the threat, identifying optimum
launch automatic checkout of missile and auto launch. Multiple
missiles have been guided to multiple targets simultaneously and successful guidance followed by target destruction demonstrated a
number of times. The development work on Akash missile system
has been completed, the problems regarding realization of Rocket
propulsion system have been overcome. System is ready for serial
production and induction by Army and Air Force.

Nag missile system is the 3rd generation fire and forget anti-tank
guided missile system which has hit targets accurately at various
ranges both during day and night. System is ready for serial
production at BDL and induction by Army”.

8.50 During oral evidence, on missiles, the non-official expert
informed the Committee:—

“Look at our missile programme. There is not a single Air Defence
missile as yet entered the Service other than the Prithvi”.

8.51 During oral evidence, when Committee desired to know what
kind of mechanism should be there to make DRDO accountable,
representative of the Ministry expressed his views as under:—
”There has been a delay but even with that delay, our Akash, our
Nag, our Trishul have done pretty well in the recent trials. Yes,
we have a problem. We have a problem because testing this missile
is not easy. You need a kind of target and organizing for the
target. So, repeatability and consistency is what Services want to
be demonstrated. I am sure we will be in a position to do that.
We will do a couple of more trials and demonstrate this
consistently. They have not questioned basic performance and they
want to be reassured that it is capable of being repeated. Once we
do this, I am sure they will accept the Akash and Nag Missiles
and we will get going. In fact, Nag has already been accepted”.

Hope it clears the token reports from “lifafa journalists that feeds many threads here and there” :dev2:

Derivative of Akash AAD et al have been realized but since not asked was not divulged anything.

Cross posting by sumeet

Committee’s Rec:

The Committee note with serious concern that most of the missile firing units of Air Force are extremely old vintage with no spare support and no substantial efforts being taken to upgrade or replace them. In the case of Pechora Missile System, 60 firing units procured from Russia are 1974-90
vintage and as on date only 50 are operational and by the end 2006 only 24 would be left operational. The procurement plan to replace the Pechora System is still at the RFP stage which will not fructify earlier than 2008. As far as OSA-AK System is concerned, the technology is quite outdated and is facing shortage of missile and spares. The overhauling of this system is planned to be done to extend its life. The project of procuring firing units for the same is at CNC stage. Likewise, IGLA Missile
System is also obsolete and 80 percent of the missiles are on life extension. The Committee further note that some indigenous efforts for replacement of the existing systems have been taken with insignificant success, thereby resulting in critical voids. The Committee, therefore, keeping in view the ageing and obsolete missile firing units currently at disposal of Air Force and lackadaisical approach of the Government for their modernisation, strongly recommend that the Government should pay enough attention to the upgradation and modernisation of the missile firing units to enhance air strike capabilities of Air Force, which has been ignored since long. The Committee also desire that adequate funds for their modernisation and procurement must be ensured.

Action taken by government,

The Government have planned following acquisitions of missiles to modernize missile firing units of the Air Force.

SCHEME PLANNED YEAR OF CONTRACT

LOW LEVEL QUICK
REACTION MISSILES
(LLQRMs) 2006-07

MEDIUM RANGE SURFACE
TO AIR MISSILE (MR-SAM) 2006-07

REPLACEMENT OF IGLA 2007-08

02 SQUADRONS OF AKASH
MISSILE 2007-08

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT
OF IGLA MISSILES 2008-09

ADDITIONAL LLQRM 2010-11

BRAHMOS MULTI SPECTRAL
SENSOR 2010-11

ADDITIONAL MR SAM 2011-12

2. Following action is being taken to extending life of the existing ground to air missile system: (a) OSA AK To enhance the system life, joint overhaul of Army and Air Force’s OSA AK system is being undertaken. This will increase the life upto 2014.

Multi Spectral Sensor for Brahmos means IIR + ARH [anti shipping] & IIR + SAR [LACM]. anyone

anyways Multi Spectral Sensor + GLONASS will make this missile one only in its kind.

Akash is one of MR-SAM.

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It has been posted in AFM magazine and known from AI 07, that MMR will come online with LSP-03.

Rest Elta 2032.

Just look at the bloody propaganda 😡

New Delhi: The Comptroller and Auditor General says four frontline warships recently acquired by the Indian Navy are sitting ducks for enemy submarines.

The latest CAG has put a question mark over the Naval fleet’s battle worthiness and says the warships were recently inducted(whaat? the talwars are recently inducted?) into the Navy without Sonar capability.

This suggests that these mighty ships have little or no capability to detect submarines. The reference is to the three Talwar class stealth frigates and the guided-missile destroyer, INS Mumbai.

The auditor’s view of Defence Procurement is that India is not getting its money’s worth. And worse, it’s being done in a way that could gravely compromise national security.

The reason for the lack of Sonars on these ships is a familiar one: the DRDO promised and then failed to deliver.

Meanwhile, the Navy is putting up a brave face.

“If it was commissioned without the Sonar capability then I will be very surprised. But if it was not contemporaray then I think in the Indian Ocean, the Navy can live with it,” says Defence Analyst, Commodore Ranjit Rai.

But that’s not all. The Rs 673 crore programme for upgrading India’s maritime reconnaissance capability is a dud, the CAG concludes.

The upgraded Ilyushin-38 aircraft are defenceless, flying without the avionics and weapon systems needed for warfare at sea.

Contracts for anti-ship missiles and torpedos and sonobuoys for detecting submarines have not been signed even six years after the project was initiated.

So is the Indian Naval muscle fake? The CAG has stirred the pot and the jury is out.

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/navy-warships-sitting-ducks-at-sea/40667-3.html

I really wonder what happened to the Thales Sonars, DRDO Sonars, how they are coming in the exercises without Sonars. :rolleyes:

Moreover is Russian press also faking things?

RUSSIA-LD INDIA PRINT EMAIL
Indian submarine handed over by Russia after upgradation

MOSCOW, MAY 8 (PTI)

Indian Navy was today handed over its upgraded Kilo-class submarine ‘Sindhuvijay’ by Russia for sea trials after having armed the warship with sophisticated ‘Club-S’ missiles with a strike range of 200 kms.

The submarine, built by Russia in 1990, is the fourth such war marchine of the Indian Navy to be upgraded in the last 11 years.

It has been modernised with Indian-made equipment including USHUS sonar complex and the CCS-MK radio communications system, official sources said.

The diesel-powered INS Sindhuvijay, now equipped with Russian Club-S underwater-to-surface missile system, can destroy warships and land targets at a distance of up to 200 kilometres.

The submarine was “undocked” for sea trials at a ceremony in the Severodvinsk-based ‘Zvyozdochka’ nuclear submarine repairs shipyard in the presence of Deputy Chief of Indian Mission in Russia Divyabh Manchanda. The trials will be carried out in the White Sea.

INS Sindhuvijay, which has a displacement of 2,300 tonnes, length of 72.6 metres and speed of 17 knots, was built in St. Petersburg in 1990 and is the fourth Indian submarine to be upgraded in 11 years by the ‘Zvyozdochka’ shipya

Then came the IL38 fiasco,

How can the Upgraded IL-38 Aircraft doesnt been fitted with Weapons systems and other Stuff.

We Actually Upgraded the Il-38 with of fitting the Morskoy Zmei (Sea Dragon) multi-mission avionics & electronic warfare suite. Sea Dragon is designed to detect & intercept surface vessels and submarines within a range of 150 km, as well as detect mines and carry out surveillance. The suite can also detect airborne targets and can be linked to the Russian Glonass satellite navigation system. They were fitted with many other stuff like radio-frequency, infrared sensors, and decoys and many more.

The article had got confused, The Aircraft didnt came up with any Weapons but it has the Weapons Avionics and Systems.

The IN IL-38 Aircrafts were tested with many Anti-Ship Missiles. The IL-38 thus have the Capability to launch Missiles and other Stuff.

Here is an pictures of an Upgraded IL-38 of Indian Navy launching Kh-55 Missile. Note – The IL-38 Aircraft in the pictures is the Upgraded version itself see Look at that device above the Aircraft fuselage. Old Il-38s doesn’t consist of anything fuselage over their Head.

I have the Video of the Lanuching of Kh-55 from IL-38 and Delhi Class Warships. It also consits fo some details about the Kh-55 Missile. I will Upload it in Youtube it i can.
Note the Difference, It has something over its Head

Here is an Picture of an Indian Navy IL-38 before not Upgraded

Isnt it amazing when CAG states,

Torpedos were not purchased with Il38 Media markets it as Il38 cannot fire any missile.

Trishul missile failed in 199x so Akash must have same problem and failed magical tests ispite succesful tests in 2004 reported by Janes.

Delay in Sonar deployment happened while the thing was being inducted years and years ago, and now they came up with that old article stating ships lacks sonars, DRDO has failed to deliver hello!! how come they delivered the much complex Submarine sonar suit for kilo then?:rolleyes: , and what happened to the Thales Sonar? :rolleyes:

ridiculous!!! CAG means AUDITOR GENERAL means it audits Arms procurement!!Like what was suppose to come with it and didnt came with it and not what DRDO delivers.

The whole MOD report is full of all kinds of Sonars being OPERATIONAL in ships.

Fact is that the exact turn rate of Gripen is classified. The number given is 20+ deg/s, it might be 20.1 or 21 or 25, you don’t know. This means that even if you would include the real TWR, your calculations would still be useless.

Developers “Can” Quote higher STR/ITR but never lower, Its a matter of Marketing dude.

In todays world of BVR, though These difference in few degrees doesnt matters much.

Joey: Whats the status of SIVA. The specs look good. Is it operational or in trials mode?

Other part will be answered by Nick, On this,succesful Trials finished on 2006, operational as per Janes and Newsletters from this year, numbers et al unknown.

Had a poster MKI carrying it.. Nick might have it.

torpedo, It is often said of the flanker series having huge RCS, make no mistake the MKI has been designged for reduction of RCS as well , albeit wihout the gold plated fancy features.

I had one picture of RCS distribution of MKI, anyways RCS is such a falaccious figure, that it varies with climate to altitude to anything.

To me all Aircrafts carrying external payload is “dirty” , in the concept of RCS.

Having said that I’m not doubting Typhoons reduction in RCS from design over MKI but still it all bogs down to AWACS.

Argentina even with 4 JSF wont stand attacking typhoon+meteor with 3-4 continous AWACS support unless ofcourse JSF’s engine nozzles pump out cold jet :diablo:

The best bet for argentina is to purchase S400 SAM and 5 Blackjack and 5 Backfires (Brahmos Equipped) along with 2 Squadron of Su30MKI, supported by 10 Phalcon AWACS.

It can create some serious trouble then..

Yes I guess many dear ones here dont know about the HADF pod 😉

Carried externally on a hardpoint.

pic is here,

Big pic is this one,

http://www.aeroindia.org/files/images/SIVA_1.jpg

Details on SIVA HADF from JDW 21st Feb 2007 by Robert Hewson, Posted by Sumeet in BR.

* HADF locates ground based emitters — AD and SAM radars.
* Underwent trials with IAF in 2006. DARE says will be in service Mid-07.
* Use to cue Krypton.
* Locates, identifies and targets hostile emitter at 150-200 kms.
* Target coordinates down to 1 deg accuracy even at max range.
* Interferometer design makes it immune to outside disturbances.
* Incorporates 6 passive antennas adopted from Tarang RWR.
* Range is 1 — 18 Ghz. For range & accuracy HADF has narrow look angle.
* Initial cueing by DARE’s R-118 Integrated MultiSensor Warning System.
* Flight-line programmable & radar threat library of needed to identify targets.

etc…

Weight 100kg, Length 2.244m and Diameter 40.6 cm