lol curious, ramjet Astra I’m hearing first time…

See, There has been nothing nada reported in any DRDO publications or MOD report on a JV.

So if anything happens I’m inclined to believe after “astra gets tested in LCA”.

Russian JV is with K172 ultra long range AAM, god knows the status.
Israeli JV, and Astra with ramjet? noppers.

there is nothing we can do other than sit and watch.
For all we know India is making only one MR-AAM right now.

global no one in their “right mind” thinks they are incapable peoples 😉 trust me on that.

This is a aviation forum, so mergings space news with wmd news would suit better. There is no need to discuss things where our inputs would’nt matter too much 😉

best because of I have to browse less as well :diablo:

and yeh cut the number of forums your visiting (pun 😉 ), i can already see a ill effect.. :p

Mods please merge em! what you say globe ok?

Combine all this with the knowledge that India, Brazil and SA are members of the IBSA multilateral forum and that both Brazil and South Africa are heavily pushing India to become involved with their joint missile development; and this story becomes plausible. After all, if it’s true the LRAAM would provide a level of capability far in excess of the Astra, so it would complement rather than replace it.

This also proves that the 120km ramjet LRAAM is not BS dreamt up by Sengupta, but a real project. And if that’s true, there’s no reason why the rest of the story isn’t true as well, especially as it’s unlikely that Jane’s would permit itself to get duped that easily. There’s more substance to this story than you’re willing to admit.

No one is doubting this will be a great project and will complement Astra as you said, but however Wasnt Denel blacklisted in 90’s for some gun issue?

Have that issue been resolved?
Another way to get around this maybe three countries will make a seperate venture company to make/manufacture and market it like Brahmos?

Whatever I’m excited and all for it, lets see if we see anything concrete report from this side and importantly by when.

India has recently done around 5/6 Astra tests just a month back, I’m inclined to see Astra in service wit LCA as when it reaches IOC.
Onboard ADSP based redundant computers to many other things has been developed already.

what is the status of Seeker developement in South Africa?

apparently India has developed a IIR seeker, working on MMW seeker.
And a host of other seekers, one Active Seeker for ABM programme has been tested as well.

It was working on J band something, i need to dig up some magazines!

It is quite possible DRDO will take up LR-AAM developement after this MR-AAM, i dont see it happening at all by 2008.

France has decided that’s too small for a CTOL carrier & so has joined the UK in building something bigger. Russia moved on to bigger ships (Kuznetsov is about the same size as CVF). Italy & Spain have settled for smaller STOVL carriers. That only leaves India, which doesn’t constitute a majority on its own.

Swerve, I dont think IN is doing things without proper planning.

Victor has a point IAC was planned from 90’s.

Basically what bogs down is I see gorshkov as a lame acquisition!

If ADS is 40k tonnes ADS 2 will be surely of CVF size.
In between I dont know why suddenly they are going for Gorshkov.

Because even if they went for Gorshkov and decided to change design of IAC it would have been too much of hastle fo ADS being 40k tonne would give our shipyards the smooth experience to transit into bigger ones.

I have a nagging feeling they will use Gorshkov extensively for training, and later UCAV carrier!

My 2 conslusions,

1> Either way we are not loosing much by building 40k tonne ADS, but Gorshkov wasnt needed.
2> If gorshkov is here why are we building 40k tonne ADS (now changing ADS design at gotshkov time would have been hard)

So the first point seems better..

Are there any recent photos of the latest Frigate and Destroyers India is building. I’ve seen no new photos in ages.

only CG… of P17, P28, and ADS.

Check BR’s Image gallery these CG are scanned, thus appears a bit hazy those are clearer!

I have posted these here before as well.

Indias Aircraft Carrier

P28 ASW corvette

P17 Shivalik Class Frigates

I find it hard to believe that the IAF would only protect its airbases and leave the rest of the targets to their own devices.

:rolleyes:

I find it hard to believe IAF will place its SAM just where the sea waters splashes the sandy beaches with little kids playing around and fondling with the SAMs body perhaps?

I find it hard to believe that you cannot concieve It is a M-SAM.

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Victor, The multipath reflection issue was with Trishul ages ages back, which has been shoved into this, It doesnt takes rocket science to know which jornalists are writing for whom, unless such article entertains someones boards.

I have shown you Janes article on it being tested succesfully in 2005, and you think it has been tested a number of times and failed and not even MOD knows, no parliamentary report nothing only suiddenly HT comes and reports it has been tested? sweet! 😮

Joey,

A lot of this comes down to what the IN want from it. At 40k, with a modest airgroup and using STOBAR the sortie rate will be modest compared to a STOVL or even CATOBAR carrier.

Flying programmes like the ability to simultaneously launch and trap fixed-wingers it means that its not necessary to reconfigure the flight deck for takeoffs and landings so a takeoff engine blowout or a bolter or two on landing isnt going to cripple sortie generation. The French have had to relearn this lesson with the Charles de Gaulle and is for the most part, the reason why their PA2 design is north of 65,000 tons.

For keeping up a couple of CAP pairs to provide air defence on a limited raduis around a task force ADS will be fine, for limited strikes on shore targets not too far inland the ADS will be fine and as a platform for a squadron of ASW choppers it will be worth its weight in gold….well sort of!. Provided the IN are happy with this capability then the ships will be great. Trying to use them as full-up strike carriers might expose a few unfortunate weaknesses though.

Jonesey whatever anyone says I quite agree with a lot of points your putting here.

Hell look at the N-LCA and it will be better than the Mig29K of navy because the way Naval guys are speaheading the project to meet its perfect requirements,mig29k still uses a non-aesa radar (if it was AESA) thing would be different.And I’m sure there wont be any upgrades till over a decade..

I’m not sad for Gorshkov deal, it can be used for training purpose! if needed as a heavy ASW carrier with possible UCAV’s in later stages!

But what I’m really sad and mad about is ADS being a 40k tonne carrier, i damn dont know what IN thinks of that it went for a 40k tonne carrier!

It could simply have well joined the French project and have build the carrier inhouse!

With full fledged 40 LCA’s onboard with Northrops E2D AWACS! and helis!

Can you tell me difference in performance of CATOBAR and STOBAR?

Look at the destroyer/frigates it is building quite state of the art, but not these carriers.I hope for best on the second ADS but damn by then 1/3rd of my life would be gone!

Dont you think going for 40k tonne ADS is more short sighted than going for Gorshkov? :confused: :confused: They could have easily compensated the late in ADS by gorshkov had the ADS been 65k tonne..Our shipyards have facility to develope over 1 lakh dread weight!

folks how many

aircraft can gorshkov carry + helis?
and ADS?