Due to politics of early/mid-’90s America, there would have been no new airplane development without the USMC. The Pentagon used every political trick it had to get Clinton to agree to fund JAST/JSF. As flawed as JSF was, Industry was giddy that it was allowed to survive. After all, Bush Sr halted A-12, AX, F-15/F-16 production and cut B-2. And Clinton had just finished terminally poisoning F-22 with 5 budget cuts.

lol JSF is flawed. all version had to suffer because of short take off engine model. china realize this and made j-31 what the jsf should have been. super cruising fighter that is full stealth all over but rear end. wait until the production version comes when the systems is applied.

Oh, I certainly do. The semantics are useful (but also subject to disagreement). On the other hand there are people running around calling the J-10, J-20, and J-31 copies with only superficial and sweeping descriptions like “it looks like they mashed a F-22 and F-35 together”, etc. Why not use the word derivative instead :diablo:

i agree, why you, me, dieno have to deal with this? foreigner always want to accuse china of copying but chinese design is original! j7 and j11 are license production so it is a legal copy but pure chinese design like j8, j10, j20, j31, j9, jh7, l15, is all pure chinese design and original!!
funny is russian accuse chinese of copying but russians make the biggest copy of all. blackjack is a copy of american b1 and their concord rip off also a copy. only chinese copy china make is the one they pay for.

Oh my god, this guy just keeps delivering.

1.) Why don’t you give me a detailed report of how Type 99A2 is better than T-90MS, and then we can talk? No serious expert would agree with you. China still imports ex-USSR engines, guns, ATGMs, turet instalations, for its tanks and IFVs. Your ignorance is astounding.
2.) What stealth ships?
3.) China can’t even power its own “stealth” fighters. How sad.
4.) LOL! You just went ful retard. Russia can’t send a man into space?

SOrry, I am done responding to some butthurt Chinese children.

i already explain but you do not understand
1. as i said most project in russia is just upgrade of soviet period weapon! t90ms is upgrade of t90 from soviet time and t90 is an upgraded t72. type 99A2 is a new model.
2. see plan thread. 052C 052D 054A 022, do i need say more? russia do not have stealth destroyer and very small number of stealth frigate and i think one burnt down
3. again you can only focus on engine. chinese know china is weak in engine but pakfa still using flanker engine variant so russia is like china.. stuck using old generation engine
4. russia need kzakhistan to send rockets into space now and no longer have money to do many space mission like china. russian space industry has went back in time.

Ironic you accuse others of bragging since your babbling is exactly that, and use fake news to try to argue your point. Save your face and stop posting in this thread.

Oh Chinabots. One day you will understand the difference between media and actually government announcements.

chinese people know issues with government and what the media say, go to any chinese blog or forum. we are not dumb. but do russians know difference between media and government? our government are similar but perception and rational of the people is much different.

1.) You are so clueless. The Mi-28 entry period has nothing to do with testing time, but funding available at the time, or lack of. Same with Mi-38.
2.) Not for USAF, the principle user and funder of the F-35.
3.) If you really need an explanation why the chance of Russia buying a Chinese fighter is zero (even if this actually turns out to be a production fighter)…then you are even thicker than I thought.

2 no, f16 is being produce for countries who will also buy f35
1 and 3 is the same. we know chance of russia buying chinese fighter is low because the same reason as mi28 being in testing phase forever. russia has no money! russia economy grow enough to allow them to work on pakfa and update soviet period weapons but it is not like china, the big giant economic dragon where it can make all new weapons to replace everything.

1.) Yes, testing is it still undergoing. However serial production is already up, making your comparison to J21 wrong.
2.) F-16 production stopped long ago for USAF actually.
3.) LOL @ Russia buying “J-21”.

1 you forget russia take really long time to test thing. look how long the navy mig29 took or mi38 helicopter or mi28 helicopter… still in testing mode
2. f16 production still going
3. LOL @ you! russia already buying internationally like french ships and targetting pods. you laugh because you have bias against asians because you do not think they can make good weapons.