Brunch with Bucks Fizz on outward journey, guided tour to Duxford’s Air Museum, three course dinner with champagne and wine on return journey.
😮 Do we get Culture Club or Kajagoogoo for the return journey? 😮
John.
Anyone?
Oh dear!!! hopefully the airframes in the new hanger are only temporarily bunched up otherwise photography will be challenging, and what the h*!! is going on with the interior?, all that iron oxide riddled roof beams will not help the corrosion situation on some airframes.
And don’t get me started on lighting!, I see no windows/skylights or any artificail light, I was once all for a new modern hanger to get all the large V Bombers undercover but it looks like someone has overlooked practicality and budget to produce something that is gradually looking like it will be …………..oh hang on, hasn’t this been said before?.
I will reserve judgement until the grand opening but I shall not be holding my breath!!!.
Regards,
John.
😀 😀 Well I think it’s irrisponsible, Flying without the correct five point harness and flight helmet. 😀 😀
And did the combat B17s she commemorates always look immaculately turned out?
Moggy
Would you prefere to see her rot?, A good paint job will preserve her especially as she is outside.
John.
A handy tip once given to me………
When panning with an autofocus camera, set the camera to focus continualy. My D70s will focus once only when the shutter release is put down half way but if you set it to AF-C mode it will continually focus with the shutter release depressed.
The problem with panning is if you press the shutter at the beggining and wait a second or two then the subject can be out of focus, this is due to the ‘arc’ of panning and the focal distance changing.
Regards
John.
Are those ferry tanks on the 747?
John.
Somebody once told me, that the tyres had a very short life, and so when practicing touch and goes they didn’t let the wheels contact the runway…
I don’t know if thats true, but if it is it seems pretty incredible.
Steve
Reading through Ian Blacks Last of the Lightnings he states that at no time was the Lightning permited to do ‘touch and goes’, this he goes on to say was due to the high wear encountered on the Lightnings thin high pressure tyres.
It was entirely possible to completely ruin a brand new set of tyres on just one sortie (high runway crosswinds) and ‘linnies’ became formula one like in being able to change tyres ready for the next flight.
Regards
John.
Shame we cant take passengers as we might recoup some of these costs as the 458 crew do at Cranfield, not sure how Russel goes about insuring his passengers, we stuggle to insure the crowd !
Cheers
Andy B (LPG)
How about fixing a pair of seats to the tailplanes? 😮 😮 .
Seriously, this will be my third year to Brunty and the car is now packed to capacity……….keep up the good work lads.
Regards
John.
Ok so this debate can run and run…………
I am now off to go and find a suitably large pint pot to cry into (or several pint pots!).
Regards
John.
Firebird
I agree mostly with what you say but don’t you think that if we don’t talk about it because it will never happen period is a bit defeatest, what would be happening now if Mr Beachy-head thought like that.
Yes in SA the rules are different which allow Lightnings to fly but at one time the rules over here prevented the flight of complex airframes, these rules are slowly being flexed and now we witness the dawn of what could be a cold war re-union of Bucaneer and Vulcan.
I am very much aware of the spares situation and that cost and a whole host of other things stop it from happenning but just think (dream!) about this……….
Thunder city are granted a permit to fly within the UK to make a visit to the 2007 RIAT and make a formation flypast and short display with 558 and Bucaneer followed by Hunters, Sea Vixen and Meatbox.
Ohhhh the stuff of dreams…………
Regards
John.
As an afterthought……..724 can be sling loaded under a Chinook, nothing that hasn’t been done before to a Lightning!.
My first look see at a candidate would be XS925 at Hendon, This airframe was stored for a while before being sympathetically dismantled and displayed at Hendon in a warm dry hall, This airframe underwent the Mod 9 to add 400Hrs to the airframe and then spent a further two years on the flight line before being stored and used as spares recovery, the dismantling was done as it should be by removing the wings and tail without cutting but I am not sure how the electrics were taken appart.
It is fair to say that to save time and effort these were simply ‘cut’ through and this make for a very difficult task to re-build.
I feel sad about XR724, it is as you all know a current resident at RAF Binbrook and has had its sytems and engines run up on a regular basis, the trouble in my eyes is it is stuck out in position where there is very little oportunity to develope her potential and should she be moved then the logistics and cost would be prohibitive.
As far as I know the ex Saudi and Kuwait Lightnings that were not disposed to museums or scrapped where placed in containers for storage and therefore the possibility of corrosion is quite high, that said the Gatwick crew are doing a fine job of restoring ZF579 and running her systems up so it is possible.
XS458 from what I have seen and read is doing a superb job of running on a regular basis and even giving people the opportunity to strap themselves in and experience avon thunder, this airframe would be my choice for return to flight with a view to running pleasure rides.
All this talk is just speculation and I have felt a number of emotions whilst thinking about it, if only the disposal process was more sympathetic in the 80’s then there might have been more chances of suitable airframes, if only the spares support was better during the final years of the Lightnings career then maybe there would not have been so much canabalism of stored airframes.
If only……….
Regards
John.
[QUOTE=ALBERT ROSS] Another big complex airframe with exactly the same engines as the Lightning with afterburners.[QUOTE]
Sea Vixens were fitted with RR Avon Mk208 turbojets (No afterburners)
Lightnings were fitted with RR Avon Mk 200R, 210R, 211R and 301R with afterburners.
(David Burke) The Sea Vixen has a ram air turbine which can supply limited hydraulic power to flying controls. The Lightning has an ejection seat.
Very true but hydraulic power was produced somewhat by the engines ‘windmilling’ and also the Lightning was fitted with nitrogen resevoirs that on engine failure would provide enough hydraulic pressure for ‘flaps and gear’ and a limited amount of stick to allow a landing.
This of course all depended on the skill of the pilot and due to the high workload of the Lightning cockpit then losses were inevitable.
Regards,
John.
God what a nerve tingling, spine shivering, sweat inducing sight this is!!!!!.