SOC, here is the reply..

At any rate, what does the American media in the 1800s have to do with the 21st Century?

For those of you who want to read about it, I’d humbly refer you to Herman & Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent”. Thats a must really to understand the situation. If you don’t have the time –
http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19950321.htm

If you do, these are really well researched and written:

“Media Concentration and Democracy: Why Ownership Matters,” by C. Edwin Baker (can be found at):
http://books.google.com/books?id=yxA1Cc8pB3UC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=media+concentration+and+democracy+why+ownership+matters+edwin+baker&source=web&ots=_hCH9WQZra&sig=4rlK8CRqzAZ-ypqEXm2_GA1ppMs#PPA4,M1

“Fighting for Air: The Battle to Control America’s Media,” by Eric Klinenberg

couldn’t find a free source, sorry but your local library might have it.

The media in the US is highly concentrated. I know you won’t believe me SOC, but I also know that if I can get you interested in the subject enough, you might spend some time researching the situation, and therein lies my hope.

If you look at Rupert Murdoch, he makes no pretense of his support for Israel. The first picture below is from http://www.15minutesmagazine.com/archives/Issue_52/mai_0310-01.htm
“Israeli Ambassador to U.S. Daniel Ayalon (l-r), Israeli Foreign Minister Sylvan Shalom and Israeli
Ambassador to UN Daniel Gillerman listen to News Corp. chairman Rupert Murdoch”

Murdoch is on the board of the Wiesenthal Center and the ADL. He has received highest honors from them. Here is text from one such award: http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=fwLYKnN8LzH&b=1354293

SOC, you have written:

Yes, maybe not directly but Israeli interests are given way too much attention by our government,

I implore you to use your considerable research skills and find out why that is so.

Here is an excerpt of what his roots:

Murdoch’s Jewish Roots
Murdoch “became an American citizen for business reasons,” according to Richard H. Curtiss, editor of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. Keith Rupert was born in Melbourne, Australia, on March 11, 1931. “Rupert’s father, Sir Keith Murdoch, was a newspaper publisher, and his mother an Orthodox Jew,” Curtiss wrote, “although Murdoch never offers that information in his biographies.” Murdoch’s father married Elisabeth Joy Greene, daughter of Rupert Greene in 1928. They had one son, Keith Rupert and three daughters. Later in life, Keith Rupert chose to use Rupert, the first name of his Jewish maternal grandfather.
The young Keith Rupert was educated at Australia’s fashionable Geelong private school, and went on to the elitist and aristocratic Oxford University in England, according to Candour (UK) magazine.
“Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.” While Murdoch may have “tried to hide” his Jewish roots, he has been quite forthright about his support for extreme right-wing Zionists, such as Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.
Netanyahu, who wrote a book entitled The War on Terror: How the West Can Win in 1986, is a frequent commentator on Murdoch’s Fox News.
Murdoch’s support for Zionism extremists is well known and a matter of record. As New York Governor George Pataki said, “There is no newspaper in the U.S. more supportive of Israel than the [Murdoch’s] New York Post.” It is through a network of Zionist organizations, in which Murdoch plays a central role, that Murdoch is connected to the individuals who arranged the privatization * and obtained control of the World Trade Center * shortly before its destruction.
These key individuals are: Larry Silverstein and the former Israeli commando Frank Lowy, the lease holders of dubious repute who gained control of the WTC property six weeks before 9/11, and Port Authority Chairman Lewis M. Eisenberg, who authorised the transfer of the leases.
Murdoch belongs to, and has been honored by, a number of leading Zionist organizations in which Silverstein, Lowy, and Eisenberg all hold senior positions. These organizations include the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the United Jewish Appeal (UJA), and the New York-based Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust.
Fifty days before 9/11, Silverstein Properties and Lowy’s Westfield America secured 99-year leases on the WTC. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey turned control of the World Trade Center over to the private hands of Silverstein and Lowy on July 24, 2001.
Silverstein and Lowy then took control of the 10.6 million-square-foot complex, which included the twin towers office buildings and two nine-story office buildings. Silvestein and the former Israeli commando Lowy then controlled all access to the World Trade Center.
Lowy leased the shopping concourse called the Mall at the World Trade Center, which comprised about 427,000 square feet of retail space.
“Six weeks before the WTC towers were destroyed, the Port Authority completed the process of leasing them for 99 years to Larry Silverstein, the developer who had built 7 World Trade Center [which mysteriously self-demolished at 5:25 p.m. on 9/11].
“Simultaneously, the retail space underneath the complex was leased to Westfield America, the US division of an Australian company that is one of the world’s largest operators of shopping malls.” Paul Goldberger wrote in New Yorker, May 20, 2002.
“Silverstein and Westfield were given the right to rebuild the structures if they were destroyed, and Westfield has the right to expand the retail space by 30 percent,” Goldberger wrote.
Silverstein is suing for some $7.2 billion in insurance money for the loss of the destroyed World Trade Center * and his expected earnings * for property he had leased with a down payment of $100 million * of borrowed funds.
Murdoch the Zionist
“Murdoch is a close friend of Ariel Sharon,” Sam Kiley, The Times (UK) veteran journalist on the Middle East wrote about the man who took over the once famous British paper. Kiley said Murdoch’s friendship with the Israeli prime minister had caused senior staff at the paper to rewrite important copy.
“Murdoch’s executives were so afraid of irritating him that, when I pulled off a little scoop of tracking down and photographing the unit in the Israeli army which killed Mohammed al-Durrah, the 12-year-old boy whose death was captured on film and became the iconic image of the conflict, I was asked to file the piece ‘without mentioning the dead kid.’” Kiley wrote. “After that conversation, I was left wordless, so I quit.”
Sharon and Murdoch are old friends. On Oct. 15, 1982, a month after the massacres of thousands of Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps of Beirut, war crimes which occurred under Sharon’s direct command, the Israeli defense minister held meetings with Rupert Murdoch and others, reportedly in order to advance his “West Bank real estate grab.”
The visit with Sharon included a trip for Murdoch and his editors from New York and London that “took them on a bird’s-eye tour of Israel aboard a helicopter gunship, flying over the Golan Heights, West Bank and settlements.” “I have always believed in the future of Israel and the goals of the international Jewish community,” Murdoch said at a spring fund-raiser for the Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust on April 29, 2001.
From the beginning, News Corp., his global media company, “has been supportive of the Jewish national cause,” Murdoch said.
Larry Silverstein, who had not yet acquired the lease on the World Trade Center, attended the fund-raiser with Murdoch and reportedly said about museum chairman Robert Morgenthau’s plans to expand the museum: “I’ll support you…as long as you keep it under 110 stories.” Murdoch and the ADL “Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch and Mortimer Zuckerman are on the [ADL] dinner committee,” according to a recent New York Times report on the ADL’s recent fund-raiser in which the controversial Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi received the ADL’s Distinguished Statesman Award.
Silverstein and Eisenberg have both held senior leadership positions with the United Jewish Appeal (UJA), a billion dollar Zionist “charity” organization, to which Murdoch and Lowy generously contribute. In 1997, Henry Kissinger presented Murdoch with the UJA’s award for “Humanitarian of the Year.” Silverstein is a former chairman of UJA. This organization raises hundreds of millions of dollars every year for a network of Zionist agencies in the United States and Israel. Eisenberg, who was instrumental in obtaining the lease for Silverstein, is on the Planning Board of UJA.
Eisenberg in his role with the Port Authority was the key person who negotiated the 99-year leases for Silverstein and Frank Lowy’s Westfield America, who were in fact the low-bidders for the lease on the 110-story towers and the retail mall.
Murdoch and the Czechoslovakian-born Israeli commando Frank Lowy, a former fighter in Israel’s Golani Brigade, who emigrated to Australia in the 1950s, have had a long friendship, which Murdoch recounted during an American Australian Association fund-raising dinner in honor of Frank’s son, Peter S. Lowy, in New York on November 20, 2002. Larry Silverstein and his wife also attended the American Australian event.
Some reporters refer to the American Australian Association, whose membership includes James Wolfensohn, the president of the World Bank, who raised cash for Rupert Murdoch when he first expanded into the United States, as “the kangaroo mafia.” “Frank was a brave and determined fighter,” Rafi Kocer, Lowy’s former commander, said. Lowy has donated some $350,000 to build a memorial museum in Israel for his former brigade.
Today, Lowy and his three sons control Westfield Corporation, one of the largest operators of shopping centers in the United States * and the world.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BOL310A.html

Now, you may or maynot choose to believe this and just walk away thinking all this is a conspiracy. But I really hope you choose to at least research how free your media is, for your own sake. Find out what AIPAC is doing and why it is known as the “ATM for American politicians”. I don’t even have to point any more fingers, if you start researching these issues you’ll be pointing fingers yourself, and I dare say not at me.

you said that there is bias against the democrats, I don’t know that, but I do know that a study indicates that the media does not bias against either party. It is my belief that “they” own both sides of the game. How different is Obama, Clinton or Guilliani going to be? They’re all in the pockets of the forces that be.

Who said anything about feeling patriotic? And what does the alleged activity by US marines have to do with what I am doing in New Jersey at the moment, apart from nothing? If another Marine rapes a Japanese girl in Okinawa, is that supposed to have some bearing on my choice of intelligence as a career path as well? I really see no point to that comment of yours, care to explain what your thought process was there?

If you read or watch the link I posted connected with this post of yours, you’ll see that the US military changed its story. How do you feel morally when you serve a force that is doing all this, and a good part of it through official sanctions? I don’t know how you feel, but I think that you might regret it later in life. I know that almost the first month I came to the US, I was biking down the trail from Northern Virginia going to DC and stopped for a break. It was really early in the morning and there was an elderly gentleman and we wished each other pleasantries. The gentleman was wearing a USAF cap and started talking to me. He told me, looking me straight in the eyes, that he has been a pilot of a bomber in three wars, including Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. And with the saddest, most broken look I’ve ever seen in a fellow human being he asked me for forgiveness for what he did in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Iraq again. I don’t know if he mistook me for a middleastern or an afghan (or maybe we all look the same to him), but it was as if he wanted me to forgive him. He told me he did things that he knew were wrong and beyond unethical but did them anyways. I didn’t feel angry at this guy, just plain pity. I don’t know how I would feel if I looked back 50 years from now and knew I had done wrong and had participated in wrong. Do you?

How am I being blind here? I said that the general idea of death squads or whatever did bear more investigation, but that it was that author’s reasoning he was using that did not stand up to a rational examination. His idea might be sound, but the reasons he used to come up with it are what I was taking issue with.

I don’t think anyone can agree on anything but I was showing you that there are others there who hold a different opinion, one where the golden dome mosque, which, throughout centuries of strife has never been attacked such by any sect of Islam. Suddenly blows up in the “New Iraq”. You play divisions within Iraq more than many including me and that author would agree with. Suffice it to say neither I nor you can solidly prove otherwise.

I in fact will go and say that I have no solid, hard core, incriminating evidence that Zionists are controlling your media, your money supply or your ivy league education. All anyone has are circumstantial evidence. Whether you choose to believe anything or not is up to your discretion. But I hoped that, surprise you as it might, that you, someone I think is more knowledgeable than the average poster, and more knowledgeable in many areas far more than I can ever hope to be, would find the pattern that I had found. Suffice it to say that it was but a frivolous dream on my part.

I’ve written way more than I have wanted to. I don’t think it serves any benefit here and in all probability, will receive a rapid scan and that’d be it. Waste of 2 and half hours of my time, and I daresay a dozen or two seconds of some others. the problem with me is that somehow I get engaged, in the vain hope that someone will change their mind or viewpoint. But the fact is, I’m not talented enough, or “know my Foo” enough to change anyone’s mind.

And I fear its all been an exercise in futility.

PS: forgot to attach picture mentioned.

My assessment is the Golden Dome mosque was blown up by “western” or “Israeli” funding to create a civil war “divide and rule” environment. Iraqis I have spoken to have similar suspicions.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12802.htm

Your point is understood, but man, your Star War’s-Fu is weeeeeeek 😉

Matt

hehe thats true, its Grevious and Alderian. 😉

Hopefully it’d cause us to realize that we need to fight wars on the level of the enemy, and not hamstrung by archaic and outdated concepts like the Law of Armed Conflict or the Geneva Conventions.

I don’t think the US have given any consideration to either of them, and this is well documented by various international agencies. You fight dirty and always have.

Okay, we seem to be looking at two scenarios:

1. regime change
2. Surgical strikes to about 50 major sites in Iran

What would each of these take, and what roadblocks might they face?