Let me just flip this thread around a little.
Whilst on holiday in the US during September 1993 my house was burgled, amongst the items that were stolen were many irreplaceable and treasured personal possessions. After my initial shock and anger had subsided, the first task I undertook was to increase the security of the house, the second was to convince my wife not to move, the third and the most difficult task to fully complete is to trust. After the incident my faith in human nature all but disappeared. If we do go away now, a major consideration is the security of the house.
Mike and his team at Hawkinge like many museums around the UK have suffered over the years from both vandalism and theft, there must have been many times over the years when they have considered closing the museum. After all, they don’t do it for the huge financial gain, they like all of us here are enthuusiasts. Their ‘paranoia’ about photographic equipment has not arisen through choice but through repeated violations of the facility and its exhibits.
Don’t be put off by the negativity of this thread, go and visit this excellent museum and see for yourself. They won’t bite.
Septic.
Well said Septic old chap, the exhibits do speak for themselves. I remember that Tangmere lost several BoB Hurricane grips after it opened…that is just awful.
If you do go, go on the right day!!! Sunday according to my booking blurb!
I must be in the minority here…Hawkinge is one of my favourite museums – I love it for the wealth of material and information it packs in to a relatively small space, and for it’s Kent/Battle of Britain connection. When I visit museums I personally prefer to absorb what’s on display in front of me, rather than peering at it through a lens, trying to get the best shots I can. It doesn’t matter to me that I cannot take photographs, I would rather learn more about the Battle of Britain and the men and women involved.
On the past two occasions I visited, there were a number of copies of photographs taken by the Museum for sale, which I thought was a good compromise.
Just my thoughts on the matter…
I agree, my view is that I would rather visit Hawkinge without a camera than not at all. As someone who is passionate about the BoB, I am not in the business of cutting off my nose to spite my face!! I do however, have atitter when I see that they have even banned pens and notebooks.
Tony,
I have a copy of Ultravox, The Collection with all the videos and Reap The Wild Wind is one of them. Being a longtime Ultravox/Midge Ure fan makes this a nice combination.
Cheers
Cees
Thanx for the info Cees….will look out for a copy cheers Tony
I’ll call Robertsbridge tonight and have a chat!! Who knows, may work.
It would be great if you bring yours too…..I am putting together a small display of associated stuff to go with my display.
I have put something on the ICC Forum too.
Tony, I’ve had a go at MT regarding his F.4 several times but I doubt he’ll be attending to be honest. Pity.
What are the chances of Robertsbridge being persuaded to bring their ex-Walpole F.5 do you think?I’ve got the latest confirmed attendance list now so I’ll put it on the ICC website and add your potential Hunter list as well.
I’ll call Robertsbridge tonight and have a chat!! Who knows, may work.
It would be great if you bring yours too…..I am putting together a small display of associated stuff to go with my display.
I have put something on the ICC Forum too.
Tony, I’ve had a go at MT regarding his F.4 several times but I doubt he’ll be attending to be honest. Pity.
What are the chances of Robertsbridge being persuaded to bring their ex-Walpole F.5 do you think?I’ve got the latest confirmed attendance list now so I’ll put it on the ICC website and add your potential Hunter list as well.
Could be…but looks a bit too ‘nice’! Travis?
I would like a copy of Ultravox’s video ‘Reap the Wild Wind’ with its legendary low pass by a famous MH434 jockey!
Yep, I know this has been discussed before.
I have been going to the Museum on and off since it opened…the ban (although disappointing to me as I like a record of things I have seen and to gaze back on) I can understand.
The reasons I have heard are:
Insurance and stealing to order
In the past problems with travelling scrappies
We will do our own photos/book
I wish they would at least do the latter!!
I would suggest strongly that not going because of a camera ban would be a little silly(cutting nose off…..etc). I still maintain that it is the BEST all round Battle of Britain Museum in the world period
The collection of downed aircraft parts from the Battle really is fantastic and there are many 100s of human interest stories in there. I have seen people spend a very long time in those halls. The aircraft are interesting, but the true story, history and sacrifice is in the aircraft artefacts in the surrounding buildings.
For best presentation of artefacts though, visit Geoff’s Shoreham museum!!
That stick is the pitot tube (made by AVIMO)…nope cannot glean serial from it.
Jerry,
Part of the problem is that if you do not scrap some/most of the discarded parts of a deep restoration to flight, with the percentages involved, the residue can come back and bite you on the ‘provenance’ so to speak.
There is one interesting Spitfire where all the fuselage skins were discarded – normal practise. An enterprising party acquired them or was donated them and duly clad a very built ‘Spitfire frame’ with them. It was probably made from wood. There stood an apparently complete Spitfire fuselage with every thing you could see original and off one aircraft.
Do you see where I am coming from?
Mark
My Hurricane project is built purely from stuff acquired from peoples bins, scrapyards BoB crash sites, hence it is a complex composite…it is a fair way off, wont fly but will be amongst the most original airframes around. I have many parts from one particular airframe, but would never profess to have that aircraft (it is still flying and is as gorgeous as ever!!).
Let me guess, you have a dog….. :rolleyes:
So give me any advantage to a dog that a cat can’t give, what do you mean doing whatever they want? if you mean sleep well my cat does alot of that 😀
easy, unconditional love!
Seems as if there is always some part of Hendon closed for whatever reason – The Graham White building being a regular culprit.
I think its just a plan to get you to go back again !Thanks for posting the photo’s Anna.
To deny access to the BoB museum is DISGUSTING, hope you complained Anna
If it’s helpful, I believe the marking ‘CGC1286’ indicates this grip was made in Canada.
Not necessarily! I will check my collection
Having had several of these spade grips through my collection over the years, the Canadian Harvard was, as I recall, markedly heavier due to the casting being in aluminium – good for corrosion if weight not a problem. The fighter units however were lighter being cast in a Magnesium alloy. Light, but prone to ‘fizz’ alarmingly with corrosion unless very well treated and maintained.
My money is still on this unit being from a Harvard, dull grey finish, external route of pneumatic pipes and the lack of a brake lever or fitting.
Mark
The routing is entirelyfine for a Hurricane. (Or Harvard come to think of it!) Harvards do tend to have the gun tubes bent towards the column part tho’.
Canadian grips can be mag alloy but are generally heavier castings (more metal) and not as ‘pretty’. I was told that Canadian grips were stored seperate of brake levers, catches and associated posts…..to allow them to be rapidly drawn from stores and fitted to a multitude of types.
AH2040 are fitted with the bowden cable guide (as is the Ebay one which could easily be fitted with a brake lever post, lever, catch etc).
To summarise, the Ebay grip is a nice example, unfitted (no doubt), I cannot see any corrosion and more than suitable for a Hurricane (or Harvard).
Unfortunately (for you!) I could go on all day about this subject.
As Mark12 will know, the Spitfire had the tubes passing through the bottom of the grip stock to allow them to pass elegantly through the stock/v piece (the yoke).
The Ebay example is actually cheap!!
Nice grip! I have one spare too which is available for swapsies!!
FANTASTIC! How do you film them?