No problem, baz. I’ve tried searching for every related surname I can think of, but to no avail, I’m afraid. With regards to the document, it’s a Bomber Command file entitled ‘Bomber Defence Training Flights’ (National Archives reference AIR14-1637). I’ve attached a full page to this post, in the hope that it might help. Thanks again, Andrew
Thanks for trying Baz – he does seem to be well hidden. I’ve tried to attach a copy of his signature, just out of interest…
Nick, I’ve sent you a PM. Cheers, Andrew
Hi Nick
You might also like to do a google search on the following Kenneth William Clarkes who all apparently served in the RAF around the years stated below:
Service No. Year
2505230 1950
1602946 1941
2476529 1950
1376493 1940
2321436 1946
1236636 1940
2274690 1945
1142049 1940
Hope you succeed in finding him.
Andrew
I have an electronic copy of “British Aviation Colours of World War Two”, which might be of some use. If you drop me a PM with your email address I can send it to you if that helps…
Thanks again folks, will follow this advice too. The problem is that some of the signatures are illegible (at least to me!)
aircraftclocks – did you see my PM?
Cheers to all, and stay safe, Andrew
Thinking about this again, these reference numbers could be for posts, not department, and they may not be in Bomber Command HQ (Although I suspect most were). As an example, the (N.A.) documents which I am studying refer to a “W/Cdr F.C. Clarke, O.P.2”. Aircraftclocks, of this forum, has kindly informed me that W/Co. Clarke was a member of the Deputy Directorate of Organisation (Planning), which was part of the Department of the Air Member for Supply and Organisation. So was HE O.P.2, or did he WORK IN O.P.2? The other references appear to be people (or teams) outside of the Air Ministry. As it is a Bomber Command file, I suspect that the were in Bomber Command HQ, but I’m really just guessing………
Thanks basv, they would make sense, so will follow that line of inquiry, cheers.
Thanks Air Ministry – at least I don’t feel quite as lonely in self-isolation as I did! I’m not sure if this may be of interest to you, but I understand that the RAF AHB have a document entitled “Air Ministry, Department of the Chief of the Air Staff – List of Staff and Distribution of Duties, Part II”, which is dated July 1939, although it might be difficult to get anything out of them during the present crisis. I haven’t tried, as I’m interested in 1943 onwards……
Thanks again to both of you. Andrew
I should have added that these examples:
D/C Eng. O
O.A.2
Org.3 (Organisation 3)
O.P.2
T.1
So, what did these stand for and what did they do?
Again, any help will be welcomed…..
Mmm, I didn’t think that would work – oh well ?
Perhaps someone can help me by identifying any of the following:
D/C Eng. O.
O.A.2
Org.3 (Organisation 3)
O.P.2
T.1
I’m now thinking that most, if not all, of these are sections within Bomber Command (possibly at its Headquarters.) As always, any help will be gratefully received. Thanks again. Andrew
Just a thought, but might it be worth contacting the BBMF? – the guys there are usually pretty helpful.
So folks, I now know that I really need to look at documents AIR20/7516 and AIR20/7517 in the National Archives, but I won’t be able to visit for some time yet. I don’t suppose that anyone has electronic copies of these lying about on their laptops – do they? Just a thought…..?
By jingo, aircraftclocks, I think you’ve got it! How did you manage that – I thought I was reasonably OK at internet searches! Thank you very much! Andrew
No success on finding W/Cdr Clark yet, but I have received a useful response from RAF AHB, as follows:
“The Air Ministry Distribution of Duties lists show the department and section codes in use at the Air Ministry. These are not the easiest of documents to use, but they do have the codes, the name of the office holder at that time, and a brief description of that section’s duties/responsibilities. The lists are broken down into organisational segments (i.e. Air Member for Personnel’s Department, Chief of the Air Staff’s Department, etc.), so they will also show where each section sits within the overall organisational structure.
“They are held in The National Archives, starting with AIR20/7499 (1917) and moving forward in time from there.”
I’ve shared it as, although I think it will help me when I can get to Kew, it may also be useful for others to know about this.
Stay safe everyone….
Good point Avion, I will give that a try. Thanks again, Andrew