Please see my edit. 😀
MOTF,
Understood and will now stand down, just one quick question what is the folks who run the SallyB think I don’t know any of them and I’m under the undertsanding that some of them are part of the forum, would like to hear their thoughts.
Now off to take my nice drugs that MOTF reminds me to do :diablo:
RER
Rob
Please take your drugs you are getting way too excited this evening. 😀
MOTF,
Its mid-afternoon here what drug are you talking about :diablo: :p
Sorry if I’m come off like a ranting foll(Yea before any of you jump on that I can be at times 😎 ) but I just don’t understand why the Warbird groups in general haven’t try to get something change maybe I miss something and there has been attempts done in the past.
As for come over to the States well I guess you can keep the 17 we have quite a few flying here but could you please send are B-24 Back across the Pond to us 😀 :diablo:
RER
Ok then,
Is that what the C-47 are under then the reason I ask is they where design for one thing to transport during War time Period then it would make sence to point out to the CAA that look these plane are older then are and they where desing for War also what is the difference between them and us.(please keep it civil I do know the differance I would like to hear the CAA reasons)
I’m just lost to understand the CAA over the few years maybe its time for the Warbird Community in the UK to star putting some pressure on your elected MP about have some changes done to allow groups like the Sally-B and other to be able to charge rides for a tax right off. Hey we got it to work here in the States and yes we are alot larger then you guys are but whats it going to hurt to at least try.
Remember all it takes I for one silly SOB to say hey were not going to take this BS anymore and I’m going to try to do something about it.
RER
Still wouldn’t work as you would be a passenger, and trhe aircraft flies under permit. Gift aid is only a way of increasing the amount of money the charity gets from your donation.
Ok,
Wow the CAA really know how to screw up something real good. Next question is their anything that is on the EU books that would allow the Sally-B or any other Warbird to charge for a ride.
Their has to be some loop poll all taxs code are full of them :diablo:
B-17 Buff! makes a good sattement why can the C-47/DC-3 fly Pasangers and the 17 can’t. Just doesn’t make since I’m going to have to read more on the CAA to try to understand it.
RER
Folks,
Your not reading what I said Huh I said that if you are going to enter into an agreement with the United States to Purchase Arms then you must follow the rules THAT we set up if you sign the paperwork like India and Pakstane did to get the Sea Kings and F-16 which stated that they would not develope their Nuke to Bombs then when you violated the Contract you have to suffer the Consequence of ones action.
I fail to see how both Countrys find it hard to understand a very simple rule, which basically said don’t build Nuke Bombs and we will provide you with Arms and Support.
But thats not the subject of this Thread, it was should India buy 130J over anything the Russian have at this time. So unless someone can show me something the Russian are producing that will be in service with the same level of Part Supply and Tech help over the next 20 Years then I say its a good purchase buy the Indian Air force.
RER
Ok Dodrums,
If I understand what you post in theory you could say offer Sally-B 500 Pounds for a tax Donation in exchange for a flight and you can call it a Gift Aid.
Is that right if so then why not approach it this way then the CAA can’t really say anything right because you offered a Gift Aid in exchange the Sally-B for your donation offer you a ride in the plane.
RER
Why talk about other countries when US denied Sea King spares to India itself after Pokhran II.
Yerna1,
You make a blank statement without facts to support the reason why the US denied the spare parts for the Sea Kings.
Maybe it had to do with all the problems that India/Pakastan that was the reason. If you go and read some of the agreement that the US Congress has with Countrys you wil find that they have all sorts of counditions on Arms Sales.
RER
Ok Then,
As I go back over all the post a question comes up has the owner stated that he plans on torching the Lightning or is something someone on the board assumes that is going to happen.
Has the owner been recently ask what his plans are you know go up and say Hey Chap their is a rumor that after owning the plane for 22 years you decide to cut it up so is that true and if so is their anything I/We can do to possiable talk you out of it.
RER
Ok Then,
I might be grabing at straws at this point but here goes, Is their anything close to the US 501c3 Not For Profit Groups in the UK or better yet is their anything that might fall under the EU/UNESCO Historical rules amnd laws.
Like I said folks I’m just loking for answer and if these seem stupid question i’m sorry I just can’t fathom the UK Laws.
Surely there has to be something tht the Historical Avaition groups can use to generate funds.
RER
Akj,
Here is some reason,
1 Reliablity of the Lockheed product is far better then anything the Russians have at this time
2 Parts
3 The US and the UK are already flying them so they are going to be around for some time
4 India stands to get a major weapons upgrade if they buy from US Companys
5 Money that will help India upgrade their aging Transport fleet
6 Because Pakastain is also looking into get 130 and we all know you two can’t be one up by each other
To answer your question can India depend America why not give me hard facts that show we haven’t on any Weapons system that we have sold to other Countrys.
RER
Just as it is the property of its owner, and he can do with it what he wishes whilst we can all jump up and down, calling him all the names under the Sun, as it becomes an unattractive pile of corroded scrap.
How are you going to change his mind? Those telling the previous posters that they were being defeatist have not come up with a solution that might convince the owner to give up his property…Flood
Flood,
As I’m no where close to knowing the UK Tax laws my sugesting was to offer him a Tax Right off but I’m lead to beleive that this might not be allowed in the UK.
Another approach would be just to ask him very nicely what would it take to have him give the airframe to a worthy museum. Or if he doesn’t want to give up ownership then how about hey Sir we would like to know if you mind placing your airframe on display at are Air Musuem their are ways to get things done.
RER
Ok All,
How about this then why can’t Sally-B change registery to a N Number then applie for a US 501c3. Or has the CAA say that all N register aircraft have to be change to a CAA number.
I know that at DX the American Airpower Museum is set up as a US 501c3 because when I donated money to it I got a US IRS Tax Statement so its not uncomman in the UK.
I’m not trying to start a flame guys all I’m looking for is way that Sally-B and other aircrfat might be able to do what we do here in the States.
Also how about the French Aircraft do they sell rides?
Cheers
RER
Oh i have got pics on phucketbucket, but how the ell do i get them on here.
Like i said thats were the “for Dummies” comes in. 😀
Phil.
Ok Phil,
When you go to you account you will see under your pic three areas that you can highlight the last one is the one you want to highlight and then go up to your edit bar click copy then come over here and jit edit and it will come up saying paste presto you have your pic.
Cheers
RER
Thanks Guys,
MOTF very interesting reading I will have to go back and read som more latter to fully understand.
RER
Ok Then,
Stupid question here then, something must have happen either in 2001,2003 or 2004 so its safe to say something did happen between the two countrys why not send a link of this story to an independ new out let and let them try to figure it out.
I think we all can something did happen because the Syrians wheren’t looking in getting Anti-aircraft items from Russia and now they are pressing to get something.
I do agree that if the Israelis did shot down two Syrian Jets they would have released the gun camera stuff.
Plus I think the Syrians would have raised a Big Stink about it the World Media and of course the very Bias Arab TV stations would have run with it as a lead story.
RER