OK I hate computer keys,
Lets try this again, I got an e-mail from the guy who runs the web site and he has asked this guy to send him both color photos and better side scan’s.
I geuss he has got alot of e-mails about these shams. He did say that their were Three Sundys in this lake.
Now I remember the thread on this a I don’t recall anything saying three. Also what did The Times have to say after a number of people called them on this story. I know here in the States if they ran a report like this it would cost the Editor his/her job.
As for the 47 I’ve seen anothe upclose and personal after a water landing to say if this is real then this has to be the softest water landing in the world.
Just out of curiosity what type of fresh water lake is this. I mean is it shallow or deep water also does it have a high dencity of minerals in the water.
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Hi Dave,
The Twin Engine Bell I believe is called the Aircuda I can’t remeber the exact des. for it.
The Lindberge photo look very familiar to me so I went back and check some thing with the Maine Aviation Historical Society. The photo was taken at Winter Harbor Maine. next to Ann’s parents summer place. This came from a seroius of photos taken by an AP guy in the summer of 36.
Hey Bob,
Did Kermit just bring over the Duck this year?
Hi Dave,
Photo 2. Its a photo of The Lindburges Lockheed Orion. They used this to travel around varoius parts of the world to set up airline routes.
Photo 1. This appears to be one of the Arado’s experimental jets design. Thou this looks like a model.
Photo 3. Its a Vultee A-35 Venngeance IA/MK1 one of the 400 ordered by the British. It looks like its being un-load at a UK dock.
trumper,
It would take 30 to 40 pages to explain this whole case, but let me try to make it easy.
In the mid-80 a researcher was doing some Oceangraphic work and came across the TBD he contact a friend of mine who ID the plane as a TBD. Well the Next thing was Doug got involved he offered the Navy the location of the TBD and would help recover it in exchange for a F4F and FG-1.
Well the Navy want see evideance of said TBD so Doug recovered the Wind screen and a few other parts to get the ID. this all took place over a ## of years mean while the Navy Leadership change and incomes the present people who to but it nicly are abunch of ASS’s. Well the renigged on the deal after Doug had given them the location.
Ended up going to court were both sides sort of won, the bottom line is we have a historical aircraft sitting in 750 feet of water that has Coral Sea history and might have been one of the survivers from Midway. The USN does’nt want to do anything but give all of us who do recoverys a hard time that is why I’ve started a pettion to force the US Congress to make the Navy adopt the same recovery rules as the USAF, US Army, and the US Coast Guard.
If you go to the warbird resource groups site and click Nav-Ops you can find more info. or if you wish e-mail me off line and I can give alot more detail. That goes for anyone who is intersest in this whole mess.
Thanks CrazyMainer
Hi All,
Dave I called my Aunt and talk to her about my Graet-Uncle, it seems he saw alot of action during BoB he was stationed in France and Later ended up like many others on the Russian front.
The reason he defect back was because most of his Squadron ended up being captured by the Russians so he flew his Mistel to a USAF controlled base in France.
I ask her to see if they had any photos if they do she is going to send them to me to copy onto disk.
Flood, Their was a great article some time back on the Mistel progects and they used all sorts of bomber/fighter combos.
I’ve seen photos of 88/109, 88/190, 111/190 and a wrecked 110/88 mind you some of these were in the field mods. I know that Junkers build 250 88 versions.
The main reason he defect back was he did’nt like alot of the German Air Force be taken by the Russians.
Dave,
Thanks this will save us alot of efford and time.
Ah Airshow food,
Sometime back when we were flying are 25 around we build in the waist position a nice cooler that could hold a quarter barrel rather nicely. We rigged a tap to the outside of the rear hatch and hook up a aux-pump to do all the pumping.
The FAA really did’nt like this to much,I don’t know why they were always over after the flying was done for a cold one.
As for food I must say the Military show have a great many taste for all from Vegian to Burgers and Chicken.
Myself I like to pack a lite bag of nuts and plenty of water.
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Their were a number of Spanish pilots who flew with the Germans, sort like their version of the Condor Legion.
They flew mainly against the Russians, One became a leading ace and was the Spainish pilot killed during the filming of th BoB movie.
Their were a number of German-Americans who either flew against allies or were interagators in LufStalg.
I know I had a great Uncle who flew He.-111 and later defected back to the USA with one of the 190/111 flying bomb setup.
He was’nt tried but he could’nt return to the States till the late 60’s.
Theirs a Comet at the Museum of Flight in Seattle. Also I think their is a Nimrod here in the States I’ll have to check into it.
The Question was asked did Corsairs have Dive Brakes, I answered no they used their Gear for dive brakes when they were dropping munnitions. This lead to the point were we are now.
As for the Flight Sim. we have one at work that can be program with up to 100 differant types of aircraft(got to love the Military and their toys) so I ask the tech to put in three different ypes of Corsairs the -3,-4 and the AM-1.
Lets say the stall quilatys are verry differant for each and for the -4 are sneaky at best.
Yes the best place to learn and practice stalls are with a certified CFI.
Bingo , Thats it exactly.
I tryed this out tonight on a Flight Sim. at work,six times I ended up with a particle to complete wing stall. All times I ended up Dead.
Hi All,
Dave to your question about raising them, I can tell you from first hand experaince that the USN will not give anyone permission to recover anything off the coast of Florida. (it has to do with a certain TBD).
Now for five TBMs near each other this not really suprising if you consider that the area was a know training area. I know of a location near San Diago Cal. that has 6 Corsairs with in 600 yards of each other. (Deep Water)
Iwas wondering does anyone know how we here in the States can get a copy of this show
Hi Guys,
I talked with a Corsair pilot friend of mine who flew closs air during WWII.
This is what he explain to me. They would over fly the target get ground troop location call in to GC officer. then they would back off the Man pressure, enter into a shallow dive(mined you they are comming from 2000AGL) at 1500 they would dump the gear allowing them to maintain a consent airspeed without induced wing fluttering. This was done with about 350 to 375 indicated Air.
At the bottom of the dive when they reach 600-550 AGL they would let go of the munnitions and start a hard pull up and turing away from the target, if they did’nt have the gear hanging the Corsair has a nasty habit of mid-wing stall.
One of the things they decided to try was to install wing stall strips to reduce wing flutter it was marginally sucessfull. It depend on munnitions and angle of attack.
I know this does’nt explain alot, but it helps some what. Also I asked him about Dive Brakes in Corsairs and he told me that they never had them he flew ever type including the AM-1 in Korea and F4U-7s. Their was some attempts in the field to make dive brakes in the lower fusl. area but because of the Corsairs speed they just ripped them apart.